Edwards gives the speech of a Lifetime...

Onceler said:
"I merely pointed out that he is a millionaire. He does not need the money, yet he takes it anyway. How exactly does that fit into his "two americas" crap? Or helping the poor? Would that money not be better spent on the... oh I don't know... POOR? Instead that money goes into the pockets of a millionaire. To me, that is highly hypocritical."

You don't understand what hypocrisy is. Lots of rich people make money. You miss the point of Edwards "2 America's" message...he's not pushing for an America where everyone has the exact same amount of money, or where people can't get rich. He is not anti-rich. He's talking about the lack of accessibility & rights for people WITHOUT means; he - and many other hypocritical rich people - would like to see an easier life for those on the lower end of the scale. I'm glad we allow rich people to talk about this & address it, because without them, not a heck of a lot would get done about it.

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I understand a lot of rich people make money. I have no problem when discussing poverty that John Edwards made money from FIG. But for him to take money from a poverty center when he is a multi-millionaire.... is most certainly hypocritical. But please, join the dumbass Cypress in trying to suggest that I am saying rich people cannot make money or that all people who work for charities should do so for free. That's just so stupid....it's almost impossible to argue with.
 
Toppy - always going with the sure winner, instead of the best candidate.

You were a Bush guy, right tops? Good move there....
 
Superfreak said:
Given that there hasn't been a new refinery built in the US in about 30 years, I am going to guess none. Because it is a waste of time to fill out the application. No one wants the refinerys in "THEIR" backyard.
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But bush promised to give themclosed military facilities...
 
"But for him to take money from a poverty center when he is a multi-millionaire.... is most certainly hypocritical. "

That's so dishonest...I actually bought the "poverty center" thing when you said it the 1st time.

You don't think that there are professors at universities who are rich & still draw the normal salary? Do you find that hypocritical? Should they teach for free?
 
Cypress said:
This is pathetic, than anyone would make this some sort of huge issue:
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FOX NEWS: Edwards received about $395,000 in paid speeches — most of them at colleges — and was paid $40,000 salary for work at the University of North Carolina Center on Poverty, Work and Opportunity. The Edwards family donated more than $350,000 to charity, including the International Rescue Committee and Habitat for Humanity.
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And that 350K number is merely the charitable donations reported on his tax form. Who knows how much money he spent helping friends out, helping neighbors out, or making non-tax deductable donations.

In short, the amount of money Edwards made giving lectures, and getting paid at UNC, is about equivalent to the amount of money he gave to charitable causes.
 
Onceler said:
Toppy - always going with the sure winner, instead of the best candidate.

You were a Bush guy, right tops? Good move there....
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the "best" candidate is in the eye of the voter...

Richardson is the best dem candidate currently running. Clark is the best candidate overall.
 
My new IQ test for people is going to center around whether they think rich people receiving payment for work provided is "hypocrisy"...
 
Onceler said:
"But for him to take money from a poverty center when he is a multi-millionaire.... is most certainly hypocritical. "

That's so dishonest...I actually bought the "poverty center" thing when you said it the 1st time.

You don't think that there are professors at universities who are rich & still draw the normal salary? Do you find that hypocritical? Should they teach for free?
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If they are taking money out of the poverty center to get paid then absolutely. There is nothing hypocritical about them being paid from the University to teach classes.

Tell me, because Edwards started this foundation within the UNC Law school, does that make it any different to you? Are you going to act like Cypress and make believe that Edwards was being paid to teach? If so, then please, forgive me... enjoy your kool-aid... vote for the thief in the primaries.... kool aid... good...
 
Onceler said:
My new IQ test for people is going to center around whether they think rich people receiving payment for work provided is "hypocrisy"...
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Again... you are trying to twist the words into "he shouldn't get paid for working because he is rich"?

How utterly dishonest of you. Shall we call you mini-Cypress? or would you prefer Cypress 2.0?
 
Superfreak said:
If they are taking money out of the poverty center to get paid then absolutely. There is nothing hypocritical about them being paid from the University to teach classes.

Tell me, because Edwards started this foundation within the UNC Law school, does that make it any different to you? Are you going to act like Cypress and make believe that Edwards was being paid to teach? If so, then please, forgive me... enjoy your kool-aid... vote for the thief in the primaries.... kool aid... good...
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You're an idiot. You don't know what hypocrisy is, and I'm tired of explaining it to you.

By your criteria, we could call every single candidate, and most rich people, for that matter, on severe, severe hypocrisy. Again....rich people get paid for work that they do, whether that's administrative work for a charitable organization, or teaching, or giving a lecture. If they want to forego those payments, good on them, but to say it's hypocritical if they don't?

Just plain stupid, Freak. Like I said, you really bailed topper out on this thread...
 
Superfreak said:
If they are taking money out of the poverty center to get paid then absolutely. There is nothing hypocritical about them being paid from the University to teach classes.

Tell me, because Edwards started this foundation within the UNC Law school, does that make it any different to you? Are you going to act like Cypress and make believe that Edwards was being paid to teach? If so, then please, forgive me... enjoy your kool-aid... vote for the thief in the primaries.... kool aid... good...
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"Are you going to act like Cypress and make believe that Edwards was being paid to teach?"

Edwards to Head Poverty Center

NPR - National Public Radio

Former Sen. John Edwards began a new job this week at the University of North Carolina. The vice-presidential candidate will teach there and head a newly formed center designed to study poverty. But Edwards has shown signs he will seek national office again in 2008.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4506201
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"Former Sen. John Edwards began a new job this week at the University of North Carolina. The vice-presidential candidate will teach there and head a newly formed center designed to study poverty. But Edwards has shown signs he will seek national office again in 2008."

This is pretty embarassing for Freak, but I've gotta say, if the "teach" isn't in there, and all he's doing is heading the center....so what? If you're rich, you should run the center for free, and not take a salary?
 
The speech is just more of the same old tired "rich vs. poor" clap trap of the american left. Rich people are evil and look out for their own self interest instead of looking out for the interest of people they don't know. Funny that is how most people work on the political level. I have always said that if the groups that lobbied congress and spent all that money to do it actually invested all that money they could give relief to the truly needy. In my opinion speeches like this ONLY play to a small part of the overall american electorate and alienate the people that are out there working 40 hours or more per week and DESIRE to become wealthy. When you say to people we are going to exact a toll on the "wealthy" who don't pay their fair share you are talking to people who are in college getting ready to go out into the business world and start earning a decent wage. You are saying to them "when you start earning 200,000 dollars a year or more then you are going to be the enemy. We are going to take from you so that people can have the things in life they want" That is NOT a winning strategy. It is one that will get people like me to vote for the other guy. I have NEVER voted for a republican for president and my first election was Mondale - Reagan. I have voted for the dem EVERY SINGLE TIME. And if Edwards is the nominee, I will may very well break that streak. Hell if Paul was the nominee I would break it regardless but he won't be. Is that what edwards is trying to do? Does he want to chase the fiscally conservative and moderate, socially moderate and liberal voters away from the dems? Cause in my opinion that is EXACTLY what he is doing.
 
Edwards to Head Poverty Center

NPR - National Public Radio
Former Sen. John Edwards began a new job this week at the University of North Carolina. The vice-presidential candidate will teach there and head a newly formed center designed to study poverty. But Edwards has shown signs he will seek national office again in 2008.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4506201

I suppose you are going to use this as some sort of excuse to "act like" Edwards was being paid by the unversity to teach? You are sooo disingenuous Cypress, and now you have Onceler acting like you.
 
Onceler said:
You're an idiot. You don't know what hypocrisy is, and I'm tired of explaining it to you.

By your criteria, we could call every single candidate, and most rich people, for that matter, on severe, severe hypocrisy. Again....rich people get paid for work that they do, whether that's administrative work for a charitable organization, or teaching, or giving a lecture. If they want to forego those payments, good on them, but to say it's hypocritical if they don't?

Just plain stupid, Freak. Like I said, you really bailed topper out on this thread...
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But bailed Top out in whose eyes? Ok, I'm willing to bet that the two biggest Libertarians, that I know of, on this board, Warren and RS aren't going to vote for Edwards. You know, still aren't going to. And Top, is going to vote for Hillary and continue to send her mash notes not-so-cleverly disguised as "policy suggestions".

They haven't accomplised anything with this.
 
Onceler said:
You're an idiot. You don't know what hypocrisy is, and I'm tired of explaining it to you.

By your criteria, we could call every single candidate, and most rich people, for that matter, on severe, severe hypocrisy. Again....rich people get paid for work that they do, whether that's administrative work for a charitable organization, or teaching, or giving a lecture. If they want to forego those payments, good on them, but to say it's hypocritical if they don't?

Just plain stupid, Freak. Like I said, you really bailed topper out on this thread...
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Like I said Cypress 2.0... you are being incredibly dishonest in your statement above. I NEVER said rich people shouldn't get paid to work. I NEVER said people should not get paid to work for charities. But for someone who is a millionaire, who continually preaches about how bad poverty is, to start up a "poverty center", pay his campaign staff from it, take a salary from it... reeks of hypocricy.

He is fighting poverty by paying a millionaire money raised from contributions to fight poverty.

hyp·o·crite /ˈhɪpəkrɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hip-uh-krit] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

He is without question pretending to give a shit about the poor, while the money raised for the "poverty-center" is being used to pay him, his campaign staff, his travel and of course to hold lectures for all those poor college kids at UNC. Tell me how these actions are NOT hypocritical.
 
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