EV's now more expensive in time and money to refuel than ICE vehicles

Into the Night said:
Most people in the city have no garage to charge an EV. They can't afford one either. Cities are turning into war zones.

I don't live in the city and don't travel to it.
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I saw Savanah Hernandez (independent journalist) go to Seattle to show the conditions there... it left me in awe... and sadness... trash, used needles, feces, homelessness, vandalism, etc etc... typical Democrat caused problems, but I would never want to be anywhere near Seattle... Thankfully Madison and Milwaukee, while Democrat controlled shitholes, aren't as bad as that (yet).
 
gfm7175 said:
I saw Savanah Hernandez (independent journalist) go to Seattle to show the conditions there... it left me in awe... and sadness... trash, used needles, feces, homelessness, vandalism, etc etc... typical Democrat caused problems, but I would never want to be anywhere near Seattle... Thankfully Madison and Milwaukee, while Democrat controlled shitholes, aren't as bad as that (yet).
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Seattle used to be a beautiful city. It's a real crime what Democrats have done to it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Auto executives are less confident in EV adoption than they were a year ago

The survey found 76% are concerned that inflation and high interest rates will adversely affect their business next year.
For the U.S., the median expectation for EV sales was 35% of the new vehicle market by 2030 — down from 65% a year earlier.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/20/aut...-in-ev-adoption-amid-economic-fears-kpmg.html

Electric Vehicle Sales May Slow Down This Year
https://autos.yahoo.com/electric-ve...nuMWLUx1MtC5P2MsfnIf-w_C5BN3ac3PQ5RYjolTN3UXT

EV sales collapse as subsidies and tax credits come to an abrupt halt
https://www.ajot.com/news/ev-sales-collapse-as-subsidies-and-tax-credits-come-to-an-abrupt-halt

I emphasized this one because that's the truth about EV's. There is no market for them without heavy government interference in the form of subsidies and mandates. Virtually nobody would buy them in a free market.
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35% of all vehicles to be EV in just a few years, is awfully good.
Prices are coming down quickly!
 
Into the Night said:
Chanting changes nothing. Repetition fallacy.
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I encourage you to keep your head in the sand and wish for the good old days of the horse and buggy. In the meantime EV sales are on the upswing. Batteries will get better, charging will become faster, while prices are much more competitive.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
In a more comprehensive study, the Anderson Economic Group did a multi-year study of the costs to charge an EV versus an ICE vehicle. The EV loses, particularly on the cost in time to charge it.

Real-World Electric Vehicle Fueling Costs May Surprise New EV Drivers

The research found that fueling an EV is often more expensive than fueling an ICE vehicle. It further found that fueling costs are far more variable for EVs. The authors go on to note the significant time costs imposed on EV drivers as a result of both inadequate infrastructure and wait times associated with fueling, which can be five to ten times the cost for ICE drivers.
https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.c...le-fueling-costs-may-surprise-new-ev-drivers/

https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.c...world-cost-of-fueling-evs-and-ice-vehicles-2/

https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/EV_ICE_FuelingCosts_2ed4-5-22.pdf

So, when a dispassionate group without an agenda does a very thorough analysis of the costs, the EV loses again.
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https://insideevs.com/news/655264/tesla-offer-unlimited-overnight-charging-1-dollar-per-day/
 
floridafan said:
35% of all vehicles to be EV in just a few years, is awfully good.
Prices are coming down quickly!
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:laugh::laugh:

EV's are still not affordable for a "working class" guy like me.

What do you suppose will happen to EV prices as the cost of lithium keeps rising and rising?
 
gfm7175 said:
:laugh::laugh:

EV's are still not affordable for a "working class" guy like me.

What do you suppose will happen to EV prices as the cost of lithium keeps rising and rising?
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You can purchase an EV today from several companies for less than $30,000, and we now have cheaper electric costs thanks to Tesla.
 
gfm7175 said:
:laugh::laugh:

EV's are still not affordable for a "working class" guy like me.

What do you suppose will happen to EV prices as the cost of lithium keeps rising and rising?
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Why do you type things like that? Evs are available at low prices. The Bolt is under 28K. There are some coming out cheaper than that.
 
floridafan said:
35% of all vehicles to be EV in just a few years, is awfully good.
Prices are coming down quickly!
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Bet that drops to 15% in the next few years... EV's are neither popular nor desirable. People don't generally want one and the only way to get them to buy one is through bribes and coercion. The second government stops offering subsidies and eliminating alternatives by fiat it is the second people dump EV's and go back to ICE vehicles.
 
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T. A. Gardner said:
In a more comprehensive study, the Anderson Economic Group did a multi-year study of the costs to charge an EV versus an ICE vehicle. The EV loses, particularly on the cost in time to charge it.

Real-World Electric Vehicle Fueling Costs May Surprise New EV Drivers

The research found that fueling an EV is often more expensive than fueling an ICE vehicle. It further found that fueling costs are far more variable for EVs. The authors go on to note the significant time costs imposed on EV drivers as a result of both inadequate infrastructure and wait times associated with fueling, which can be five to ten times the cost for ICE drivers.
https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.c...le-fueling-costs-may-surprise-new-ev-drivers/

https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.c...world-cost-of-fueling-evs-and-ice-vehicles-2/

https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/EV_ICE_FuelingCosts_2ed4-5-22.pdf

So, when a dispassionate group without an agenda does a very thorough analysis of the costs, the EV loses again.
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The cost of running an EV is often hidden. California HEAVILY subsidizes EV charging to hide what it actually costs to run one. Once there is critical mass, the state will remove the subsidies and drivers will be hit with massive expenses. Not to mention the cost of replacing batteries every 7 years.
 
Nordberg said:
You cannot learn the truth. You are anti EVs and will believe anything that comes out against them. You are blind to the opposing facts, so why deal with you?
EVs are far cheaper to operate and require a hell of a lot less maintenance. To some people, time is money to
Your EV is coming soon. You will finally figure it out.
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Then you should be able to easily post information supporting your claims.

But I notice that you didn't.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
The cost of running an EV is often hidden. California HEAVILY subsidizes EV charging to hide what it actually costs to run one. Once there is critical mass, the state will remove the subsidies and drivers will be hit with massive expenses. Not to mention the cost of replacing batteries every 7 years.
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SucH, BS. Batteries are guaranteed by the manufacturers for a mini mum of 10 year, and now you can charge your car for a flat fee of $30.00 monthly.
 
Perry Phimosis said:
Seems you overlooked the revolution in battery technology.
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Well, that's the rub, isn't it? There is no revolution in battery technology. We are still using the same Lithium Ion batteries developed in the 1960's. Clever electronics that regulate over-charge and discharge have made LI batteries safe enough for standard use and displaced NiCad - except when iPhones and Galaxy Note's burst into flames. For the most part LI is nearly as safe as NiCad, but the technology is old. There is been no advance in actual battery technology in over 60 years. We have just added electronics around the same old batteries to keep them from catching fire and extending the life of them.

And you continue to act as if no new batteries will ever be invented. I guess that's because you have never invented anything or done anything new or novel.
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When and if they do invent something new, it could change the paradigm - but at the moment - we are still using the same old LI batteries we did in 1965
 
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