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The clip she gave was a clip in which Obama was discussing what should be in the bill to make it work.



He didn't get to write it exactly like HE wanted it to be huh
 
evince said:
what the fuck does it matter?


he was speaking about what he wanted to see in the bill.



he doesn't control EVERTHING
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Of course it matters Deshy. He signed it. Shouldn't he know what is in it? Of course he has control. It was his signature piece of legislation. You are spinning Deshy. For someone who claims to LOVE facts you are noticeably short on them.

I will ask again. Are you claiming the ACA that Obama signed did not contain a grandfather provision?
 
I Love America said:
Of course it matters Deshy. He signed it. Shouldn't he know what is in it? Of course he has control. It was his signature piece of legislation. You are spinning Deshy. For someone who claims to LOVE facts you are noticeably short on them.

I will ask again. Are you claiming the ACA that Obama signed did not contain a grandfather provision?
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IT DIDNT EXIST YET YOU FUCKING IDIOT
 
She showed a clip of Obama discussing a bill being altered in the congress as he spoke.

it was NOT yet a finished law.

Megan didn't want you to know that part.

WHY?
 
evince said:
It seems the grandfathering thingy she quoted didn't end up in the bill like Obama wanted it to huh?
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OK Deshy, now its time for you to eat your crow. How would you like it served. This is from the link YOU provided. Ready? Here it comes..


http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_...ns-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Here is the salient quote that will be of interest for you. Read it closely.

The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.

So based on the article you provided Deshy, the Grandfather provision was in the law that Obama signed. It was HHS that wrote a regulation narrowing the provision. Now who does HHS report up to? Congress? Or the President?

Get ready to watch Deshy's head spin off
 
Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett last night offered up a spin on the wave of policy-cancellation stories that goes well beyond the original, ambiguous promise into sheer absurdity:


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Valerie Jarrett ✔ @vj44 FACT: Nothing in #Obamacare forces people out of their health plans. No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans. 6:07 PM - 28 Oct 2013
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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/10/you-like-your-plan-you-can-keep-it-sort-of.html?mid=google
 
I Love America said:
OK Deshy, now its time for you to eat your crow. How would you like it served. This is from the link YOU provided. Ready? Here it comes..


http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_...ns-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Here is the salient quote that will be of interest for you. Read it closely.

The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.

So based on the article you provided Deshy, the Grandfather provision was in the law that Obama signed. It was HHS that wrote a regulation narrowing the provision. Now who does HHS report up to? Congress? Or the President?

Get ready to watch Deshy's head spin off
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double bump for Deshy
 
evince said:
so now your just going to claim you won no matter what the facts say?


ok Charlie sheen
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Deshy you have been proven wrong. The grandfather clause that Megyn Kelly spoke about was in the bill. HHS under Obama rewrote the rules. Megyn Kelly was 1000% correct. You are 1000% wrong. But are too stubborn to admit it.
 
Obamacare is the reason so many insurance companies are changing existing plans.


When it was originally contemplated, several years away from implementation, the process of imposing regulations on the individual-health-insurance market did not feel like taking people’s health insurance away from them.


In the current moment, with cancellation notices going out and alternatives not yet available, it feels exactly like that.


Which is to say, a promise that felt like a mere oversimplification at the time, and may eventually feel like one in retrospect, currently feels like a lie.


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/10/you-like-your-plan-you-can-keep-it-sort-of.html?mid=google
 
evince said:
so now your just going to claim you won no matter what the facts say?


ok Charlie sheen
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The facts say that the grandfather clause was in the bill Obama signed. Are you disputing those facts? Are you saying that there wasn't a grandfather clause? Because that would be the only way the lovely and gracious Megyn Kelly lied.
 
I Love America said:
OK Deshy, now its time for you to eat your crow. How would you like it served. This is from the link YOU provided. Ready? Here it comes..


http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_...ns-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Here is the salient quote that will be of interest for you. Read it closely.

The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.

So based on the article you provided Deshy, the Grandfather provision was in the law that Obama signed. It was HHS that wrote a regulation narrowing the provision. Now who does HHS report up to? Congress? Or the President?

Get ready to watch Deshy's head spin off
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ther experts said that most consumers in the individual market will not be able to keep their policies. Nancy Thompson, senior vice president of CBIZ Benefits, which helps companies manage their employee benefits, says numbers in this market are hard to pin down, but that data from states and carriers suggests “anywhere from 50 to 75 percent” of individual policy holders will get cancellation letters. Kansas Insurance Commissioner Sandy Praeger, who chairs the health committee of the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, says that estimate is “probably about right.” She added that a few states are asking insurance companies to cancel and replace policies, rather than just amend them, to avoid confusion.
 
evince said:
ther experts said that most consumers in the individual market will not be able to keep their policies. Nancy Thompson, senior vice president of CBIZ Benefits, which helps companies manage their employee benefits, says numbers in this market are hard to pin down, but that data from states and carriers suggests “anywhere from 50 to 75 percent” of individual policy holders will get cancellation letters. Kansas Insurance Commissioner Sandy Praeger, who chairs the health committee of the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, says that estimate is “probably about right.” She added that a few states are asking insurance companies to cancel and replace policies, rather than just amend them, to avoid confusion.
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Deshy, Obama said those plans would be grandfathered and it was written into the law.

You have been PWND. Stop while you are behind
 
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