GLOBAL WARMING -- Everywhere is warming twice as fast as everywhere else!!!!!!

[AProudLefty]

An abbreviation used in chemistry and PChem classes.

Ah I see. You're the first person I've seen that use that term.

 

[anonymoose]

Ah I see. You're the first person I've seen that use that term.

I feel special.

 

[AProudLefty]

I feel special.

You are.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

What is the material exchange of matter?

Meteorites, asteroids. The earth is littered with the evidence for this.

I've always agreed there was an exchange of nrg. If there's an exchange of nrg and no material exchange of matter, by def. the system is a thermodynamic closed system.

Then it's not a closed system since matter can cross into the earth from outside.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Ah I see. You're the first person I've seen that use that term.

Same here and I worked for 30+ years as a research chemist.

 

[Into the Night]

With respect to matter (heh), it is a closed system. With respect to energy, it isn't. That distinction is important to the topic of Global Warming (you know... the topic of this thread?)

You are now locked in yet another paradox. You just said that matter comes from outside Earth.
You still don't know what a thermodynamic system is.

Earth is a closed system.
The Earth-Sun-space system is a closed system.
The entire known Universe is a closed system.

 

[Into the Night]

No it's not.

Yes it is.

That's absurd in the extreme.

Not in the least. The boundaries of a chosen thermodynamics system can be chosen at will, and they are closed.

Is the sky light outside right now where you are? Or has it been in the last several hours? Yeah, that's called the SUN and it exists OUTSIDE OF THE EARTH. Ergo it isn't a closed system.

The Sun-Earth-space system is a closed system.

The entire solar system is a closed system.

 

[Into the Night]

It's not even "closed" to matter. Meteorites slam into the earth all the time from outside of the earth. And the moon was probably knocked out of the earth as well, so not closed to matter.

Matter is not temperature or thermal energy.
Meteorites do not slam into the Earth at all. They are part of Earth. You still do not know what a meteorite is.

The origins of the Moon are unknown. What makes you think a chunk of Earth spontaneously developed the energy to leave Earth and become the Moon? Where's the resulting crater that was left behind?

 

[AProudLefty]

You just said that matter comes from outside Earth.

That is correct. Matter comes in and out of Earth all the time.

The Earth is an open system.

You can trap heat.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Yes it is.

Not in the least. The boundaries of a chosen thermodynamics system can be chosen at will, and they are closed.

The Sun-Earth-space system is a closed system.

The entire solar system is a closed system.

You are fractally wrong.

 

[AProudLefty]

What makes you think a chunk of Earth spontaneously developed the energy to leave Earth and become the Moon? Where's the resulting crater that was left behind?

That one belongs in your sig.

 

[Into the Night]

I tried telling them that but it fell on deaf ears.

Nah. You just don't know what heat is, or what a meteorite is.

 

[AProudLefty]

Nah. You just don't know what heat is, or what a meteorite is.

Define heat.

 

[Into the Night]

By your reasoning doctors can't measure the temperature of a human either.

That is correct. They can't.

They only measure it in one spot and then go from there.

That is exactly right. Depending on which spot they use, they will get a different reading.

But to the larger point: this is something in science called SAMPLING.

Science is not a sample or sampling.

It is how 99.99999999999999999...9% of all the science you know has been created.

Argument from randU fallacy. Science is not samples or sampling.

You are actually trying to argue that a single thermometer can measure the temperature of the Earth.

It required sampling at some point to make the measurement.

Science is not measurements.

It is unlikely that every single item in a given population is measured. This is how science works.

Science is not gambling.

Science is a set of falsifiable theories. Among the ones you ignore as a matter of routine are the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

You are attempting math errors.

 

[Into the Night]

Nope. Nope Nope Nope Nope. Try sitting in an actual P Chem or Thermo class and roll that line out. See how it lands.

You don't get to speak for everybody. Omniscience fallacy.
Science does not use consensus. The 2nd law of thermodynamics is not a class. You just choose to ignore it.

 

[Into the Night]

The topic is still Global Warming. Does or does not the heat come from the Sun?

Yes or no?

No. Heat has no location. You still do not know what heat is.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

No. Heat has no location. You still do not know what heat is.

LOLOLOLOLOL. Like you do? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

You are about as funny to read as Cypress. You are both scientific illiterates. At least Cypress has books that tell him what to think.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes.

No. Heat has no location. It does not 'come' from anywhere.

The Earth is heated by the Sun, and the Earth dissipates that energy into space in accordance with the Stefan-Boltzmann law (conversion of thermal energy to electromagnetic energy).
Heat does not 'come from' the Sun or from anywhere else. It has no location.

 

[Into the Night]

Unlike you I've actually had a PChem class. (Oh yeah, and I don't expect you to know what PChem is)

I don't believe you.

 

[Into the Night]

Body temperature is relatively uniform.

Sort of. At least the nice thing about the human body is that it's mostly water, meaning thermal conductivity within it is pretty good.