Only idiots think everything that can be said has already been said.
God is not intelligent, or, why I am a pantheist
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But there is nobody on this board who is brilliant enough to come up with deeply original, profound, and revolutionary religious or philosophical ideas . None of us are geniuses, prophets, or polymaths. All we are doing is talking around the margins and being derivative of existing ideas.
You clearly are not a thinker. You are a repeater.
Lao Tse
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Lao Tse
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speak for yourself, dumbass.
most of genius is cutting away the stupid.
you don't get that.
Dutch Uncle
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Wrong again, Fredo, but the fact you are a racist antisemite who is affiliated with white supremacist militias seeking to destroy the Federal government and murder Americans is well known.
Lao Tse
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Dutch Uncle
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You should get help before you hurt yourself or someone else, Fredo.I'm a racist antisemite and can't wait for my white supremacist militia to give me a suicide bomber mission.
Right, for a few people it is a message board conceit to imagine that they are deeply original creative thinkers with profoundly unique insights.
They are loathe to admit most of their knowledge is not from direct experience but is indirectly derived from teachers, textbooks, classes, articles, books, podcasts, videos, subject matter experts. They like to believe knowledge and deep understanding just randomly popped into their minds.
Dutch Uncle
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Hey! Speak for yourself!
Agreed that, after 300,000 years of human beings existing on the planet, that there really isn't anything new under the Sun when it comes to human thoughts or feelings. The tech changes but the people, at base, do not. They adapt to the technology, but they remain human and no different than the desert nomads running around the Middle East 4000 years ago.
The differences between all human beings is mainly cultural since we are almost identical genetically. The variance is mainly superficial like different paint schemes on the same make and model of cars. Inside, we are often identical and the same goes for the way our minds work. The big difference there is cultural AKA programming and experiences.
I have no interest in pantheism. Just another Christian doctrine.Speaking as a self identified Pantheist, my understanding is that Pantheists believe that the universe/multiverse -is- God. Here's Wikipedia's introduction to the term:
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Pantheism is the philosophical and religious belief that reality, the universe, and nature are identical to divinity or a supreme entity.[1] The physical universe is thus understood as an immanent deity, still expanding and creating, which has existed since the beginning of time.[2] The term pantheist designates one who holds both that everything constitutes a unity and that this unity is divine, consisting of an all-encompassing, manifested god or goddess.[3][4] All astronomical objects are thence viewed as parts of a sole deity.
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Pantheism - Wikipedia
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I have no idea where you're getting this notion that Pantheism is "just another Christian doctrine". Based on the Wikipedia article, I'd say that Pantheism actually has more in common with some non Christian religions:
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Comparison with non-Christian religions
Some 19th-century theologians thought that various pre-Christian religions and philosophies were pantheistic. They thought Pantheism was similar to the ancient Hinduism[19]: pp. 618 philosophy of Advaita (non-dualism).[58]19th-century European theologians also considered Ancient Egyptian religion to contain pantheistic elements and pointed to Egyptian philosophy as a source of Greek Pantheism.[19]: pp. 618–620 The latter included some of the Presocratics, such as Heraclitus and Anaximander.[59] The Stoics were pantheists, beginning with Zeno of Citium and culminating in the emperor-philosopher Marcus Aurelius. During the pre-Christian Roman Empire, Stoicism was one of the three dominant schools of philosophy, along with Epicureanism and Neoplatonism.[60][61] The early Taoism of Laozi and Zhuangzi is also sometimes considered pantheistic, although it could be more similar to Panentheism.[49]
Cheondoism, which arose in the Joseon Dynasty of Korea, and Won Buddhism are also considered pantheistic. The Realist Society of Canada believes that the consciousness of the self-aware universe is reality, which is an alternative view of Pantheism.[62]
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Pantheism - Wikipedia
About one percent of human beings at most have the creativity and intellect to make deeply original and profound contributions to human knowledge and achievement.Hey! Speak for yourself!
Agreed that, after 300,000 years of human beings existing on the planet, that there really isn't anything new under the Sun when it comes to human thoughts or feelings. The tech changes but the people, at base, do not. They adapt to the technology, but they remain human and no different than the desert nomads running around the Middle East 4000 years ago.
The differences between all human beings is mainly cultural since we are almost identical genetically. The variance is mainly superficial like different paint schemes on the same make and model of cars. Inside, we are often identical and the same goes for the way our minds work. The big difference there is cultural AKA programming and experiences.
Everything else is derivative.
The best I can do is acquire a range of existing knowledge, integrate it, filter it, frame it against my life experiences, and decide which elements make the most sense to me.
Right, I am sure you are widely regarded on JPP and by people in your life as a deeply original thinker, a polymath with profound creativity and capable of truly unique and meaningful insights.
I don't care what wiki says about anything.I have no idea where you're getting this notion that Pantheism is "just another Christian doctrine". Based on the Wikipedia article, I'd say that Pantheism actually has more in common with some non Christian religions:
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Comparison with non-Christian religions
Some 19th-century theologians thought that various pre-Christian religions and philosophies were pantheistic. They thought Pantheism was similar to the ancient Hinduism[19]: pp. 618 philosophy of Advaita (non-dualism).[58]
19th-century European theologians also considered Ancient Egyptian religion to contain pantheistic elements and pointed to Egyptian philosophy as a source of Greek Pantheism.[19]: pp. 618–620 The latter included some of the Presocratics, such as Heraclitus and Anaximander.[59] The Stoics were pantheists, beginning with Zeno of Citium and culminating in the emperor-philosopher Marcus Aurelius. During the pre-Christian Roman Empire, Stoicism was one of the three dominant schools of philosophy, along with Epicureanism and Neoplatonism.[60][61] The early Taoism of Laozi and Zhuangzi is also sometimes considered pantheistic, although it could be more similar to Panentheism.[49]
Cheondoism, which arose in the Joseon Dynasty of Korea, and Won Buddhism are also considered pantheistic. The Realist Society of Canada believes that the consciousness of the self-aware universe is reality, which is an alternative view of Pantheism.[62]
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Pantheism - Wikipedia
You are lost.
I don't care what wiki says about anything.I have no idea where you're getting this notion that Pantheism is "just another Christian doctrine". Based on the Wikipedia article, I'd say that Pantheism actually has more in common with some non Christian religions:
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Comparison with non-Christian religions
Some 19th-century theologians thought that various pre-Christian religions and philosophies were pantheistic. They thought Pantheism was similar to the ancient Hinduism[19]: pp. 618 philosophy of Advaita (non-dualism).[58]
19th-century European theologians also considered Ancient Egyptian religion to contain pantheistic elements and pointed to Egyptian philosophy as a source of Greek Pantheism.[19]: pp. 618–620 The latter included some of the Presocratics, such as Heraclitus and Anaximander.[59] The Stoics were pantheists, beginning with Zeno of Citium and culminating in the emperor-philosopher Marcus Aurelius. During the pre-Christian Roman Empire, Stoicism was one of the three dominant schools of philosophy, along with Epicureanism and Neoplatonism.[60][61] The early Taoism of Laozi and Zhuangzi is also sometimes considered pantheistic, although it could be more similar to Panentheism.[49]
Cheondoism, which arose in the Joseon Dynasty of Korea, and Won Buddhism are also considered pantheistic. The Realist Society of Canada believes that the consciousness of the self-aware universe is reality, which is an alternative view of Pantheism.[62]
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Pantheism - Wikipedia
I'm not always a fan myself, but I think that it's generally a good place to start.
I do not. I usually ignore posts about wiki.
Daylight63
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Wiki isn't great but you are very spot on. It's a great place to start if only because there are references you can read to find out if the wiki summary is right.
Besides, there's nothing wrong with people on here citing wiki. I mean it's not like any of us are experts on most of the stuff we talk about! LOL.
Using wiki to debate is a sign of failure.
Daylight63
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Yeah, if this were like some "professional" debate society or something. If I were trying to defend a school thesis I wouldn't use Wiki.
But for just "shooting the shit" on here it's at least a place to start (plus there's no pay walls so everyone can read the same stuff. And Wiki does have references and at least a LITTLE moderation to tamp down some of the trash).
Generally, though I agree with you if the stakes are higher.