God is not intelligent, or, why I am a pantheist

[Margot]

Oh know!

 

[Cypress]

Who cares if Nazis were wrong or we just have the opinion they were wrong. No difference.

I'm not a moral relativist, which is what you are if you cannot say the Nazis were objectively wrong and their actions violated absolute concepts of right and wrong.

 

[Cypress]

Off topic, this is about is Cypress a Christian! I have never heard him say that.

One has to believe Christ was miraculously resurrected from the dead to be a Christian. I think a miraculous resurrection is unlikely.

 

[Margot]

One has to believe Christ was miraculously resurrected from the dead to be a Christian. I think a miraculous resurrection is unlikely.

So you have your doubts! That's more honest than the many Christians that assume what organized religion told them to believe, so they do,without ever thinking about it.

I'm not a moral relativist, which is what you are if you cannot say the Nazis were objectively wrong and their actions violated absolute concepts of right and wrong.

But , the thing is ,being wrong as wrong ,in some situations, they were wrong but legal!
Take the case of the Frank family,they were arrested as criminals for hiding from the legal authorities ,the Nazis!

 

[Hume]

One has to believe Christ was miraculously resurrected from the dead to be a Christian. I think a miraculous resurrection is unlikely.

But you are still a Christian.

 

[Margot]

But you are still a Christian.

You don't know what "unlikely" means?

 

[Lao Tse]

Agreed in part. I think many JPP MAGAts support his infidelity as a "man's right" and that it's women who have to be loyal. This is demonstrated by their hatred of "feminazis" and women's rights to their own bodies. Same goes for their racism: white man's rights over everyone else's.

I prefer the term "mutually agreed upon standards of decency" over "universal" since universal connotates genetics or even extraterrestrial civilizations.

I can see why Stalin's murder of 39M Russians through famine and force would be frowned upon by even staunch communists.

ok.

so who promotes population reduction?

 

[Hume]

I'm not a moral relativist, which is what you are if you cannot say the Nazis were objectively wrong and their actions violated absolute concepts of right and wrong.

I am not a moral relativist. Clearly you did not understand what I wrote.

 

[Hume]

You don't know what "unlikely" means?

I think you are an idiot.

 

[Daylight63]

I think you are an idiot.

Sometimes it's hard to do what we know, in our hearts, is the right thing. I think the real magic of "human morality" is the need to explain why an in-built instinct is a good idea to follow. But it makes PERFECT sense. Humans are unique in our ability to think about alternative futures and the most likely future given a specific set of actions. So, unlike the wolf who instinctually cares for the fallen mate, WE CAN ACTUALLY IMAGINE NOT HELPING THE FALLEN MATE. We can imagine a world where we would do the OPPOSITE of what our instinct is.

So we need moral teachers to try to figure out a way to convince us there is a reason to follow the in-built instinct or at least a reason to expect possible punishment for going against the instinct.

And I'm not saying the moral philosophers really knew this is what they were doing, but rather found a gap in our knowledge and tried to fill it. And even among them there is disagreement over the "why", so we wind up with differing interpretations of morality. All the while we all generally agree on the biggies like the ones @Cypress mentioned: murder bad, stealing bad, fidelity good, etc.

 

[Cypress]

So you have your doubts! That's more honest than the many Christians that assume what organized religion told them to believe, so they do,without ever thinking about it.

I have thought about the documentary evidence and it seems to me the eyewitness apostles genuinely believed they saw Jesus after the crucifixion, but I have at least four hypotheses for why that should be the case.

But , the thing is ,being wrong as wrong ,in some situations, they were wrong but legal!
Take the case of the Frank family,they were arrested as criminals for hiding from the legal authorities ,the Nazis!

At least since Sophocles, most people generally think the moral law supercedes the human law. That is precisely why at Nuremberg the Nazi defendants were not allowed to appeal to German law as a defense

 

[Hume]

I have thought about the documentary evidence and it seems to me the eyewitness apostles genuinely believed they saw Jesus after the crucifixion, but I have at least four hypotheses for why that should be the case.

At least since Sophocles, most people generally think the moral law supercedes the human law. That is precisely why at Nuremberg the Nazi defendants were not allowed to appeal to German law as a defense

Look, you are a Christian. No need to keep lying.

 

[Hume]

Sometimes it's hard to do what we know, in our hearts, is the right thing.

I never had that experience.

 

[Cypress]

Look, you are a Christian. No need to keep lying.

Jesus, Alexander the Great, Julius Ceasar are the three most important people in the history of western civilization - hands down.

Explain why somebody who respects historical knowledge wouldn't think about these people

 

[Margot]

I think you are an idiot.

Assuming you can think

 

[Margot]

I have thought about the documentary evidence and it seems to me the eyewitness apostles genuinely believed they saw Jesus after the crucifixion, but I have at least four hypotheses for why that should be the case.

At least since Sophocles, most people generally think the moral law supercedes the human law. That is precisely why at Nuremberg the Nazi defendants were not allowed to appeal to German law as a defense

Moral law should supersede man's law