Here's why the soft civil war will go hot...

[Into the Night]

I have no problem with secession. Unfortunately, starting a war, and losing it, pretty much ended the notion for all time in terms of serious consideration.

Lincoln did not lose the War of Secession.

 

[Into the Night]

Agreed. Regardless if the Southern states had a right to secede or not, it's a moot point now and would definitely be illegal now. Soooo, no secession of Alaska or any other state and it's unlikely California would be split into two states or the Dakotas forged into one.

It is not illegal. It never was.

California has effectively left the Union. They are effectively no longer a State. The government there does not recognize the Constitution of the United States nor the constitution of the State of California. I call it the Socialist Oligarchy of the Territory of California now. Every now and then, I see flashes of hope for the SOTC, as people there rebel against their government. Perhaps someday a republic will again form in the SOTC and they can return to the United States.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Agree. I never look at videos.

or know things...

 

[Into the Night]

Well I hope that those who watched the video enjoyed it!

I can't say I enjoyed the argument the fellow in the video was making, but it did get the message across.

 

[StoneByStone]

Lincoln did not lose the War of Secession.

 

[Into the Night]

fascism is corporatism. both parties are sold out.

No. Forming a corporation is not fascism. Owning a business is not fascism.

 

[Into the Night]

yes. corporatism is always fascism. sometimes it's internationalist fascism, which is very bad.

Forming a corporation is not fascism. Fascism is government control of business operations by force.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Forming a corporation is not fascism. Fascism is government control of business operations by force.

warping and framing society to be specifically beneficial to corporations, as though that's a well appointed focus for society, is though.

ppp, public private partnership is fascism.

 

[Into the Night]

I think it's easier to break-up a state than to merge two. The Constitution protects states from being deprived their equal representation in the Senate, and even declares that protection to be non-amendable.

Since the Senate was designed to represent the interests of the States as States, and the House designed to represent the interests of the people directly (at least until the 17th amendment), all merging two States would do is reduce representation in the Senate, while increasing it in the House.

Splitting a State would do the reverse.

But we are speculating in a vacuum. The split a State into two requires the vote of the State involved, a new constitution for the new State drafted, the original constitution of the other State modified, and the whole thing approved by Congress.

Not likely.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

No. Forming a corporation is not fascism. Owning a business is not fascism.

owning a business is not fascism. corrupting the entire society with lies and elitism is though.

 

[Into the Night]

I've seen people argue that the reason why secession is unlawful is that it infringes upon the rights of the people residing within the seceding state.
I never really agreed with that, since believe that the conventions which voted for secession legitimately spoke for their states.

Correct. The people of that State authorized that State to leave the Union.

It does indeed deprive those people of their equal representation in the Senate, though.

When a State leaves the Union, it has NO representation in the Union it left! The only exception is the SOTC, which effectively left the Union, but still has representation in the House and Senate. Then again, those representatives want to destroy the Constitution of the United States anyway.

Yes, Pelosi, I'm looking at you when I say this.

 

[Into the Night]

On the brink of the Civil War, the question for officers like Lee was whether they would serve the Union or resign their commissions to serve their States.

This is different. For an armed insurrection to last more than a day or two, the military – in particular the officer corps – would have to remain neutral between a duly elected President and a rabble of Trumpsters, thereby violating their oath to defend the Constitution.

Does anyone think they would do that? And for what? TRUMP?

Trump is not violating anything the Constitution. The insurrection is made up of people that want to destroy the police, destroy property rights, destroy Trump, destroy the Constitution of the United States, and is funded and supported by the Democrat party.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I didn't know there were Civil War battles in North Dakota! What went on up there? The Sioux seceded?

The US Army didn't need a secession to massacre the Sioux or any other tribe. They kept doing it of decades. The Wounded Knee massacre was in 1890.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Wounded-Knee-Massacre
Wounded Knee Massacre, (December 29, 1890), the slaughter of approximately 150–300 Lakota Indians by United States Army troops in the area of Wounded Knee Creek in southwestern South Dakota. The massacre was the climax of the U.S. Army’s late 19th-century efforts to repress the Plains Indians. It broke any organized resistance to reservation life and assimilation to white American culture, although American Indian activists renewed public attention to the massacre during a 1973 occupation of the site...

...the U.S. Army unceremoniously buried 146 Miniconjou in a mass grave where the Hotchkiss guns had been placed, a location today known as Cemetery Hill. Many of the corpses were naked. Modern scholars estimate that between 250 and 300 Miniconjou were killed in total, almost half of whom were women and children. At least 25 U.S. soldiers also died, many likely fallen to friendly fire.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

So 150 rounds shot into an apartment complex in Portland doesn't count, eh?

It doesn't justify the Federal government overriding the Portland or Oregon government.

 

[Into the Night]

With that kind of logic then all laws are illegal since banning gambling,

Rather hard to do that, since gambling can occur anywhere, even in States that ban it.

prostitution

Same with prostitution. It is a vector of disease though, and many States consider it a corruptible influence (like they do gambling). Nevada at least has it pretty good here, by allowing it outside the cities, but requiring medical checkups on the prostitutes regularly. Prostitution seems to be dropping off in popularity though. Even the whorehouses in Nevada are dwindling away.

and drugs infringes upon the rights of those who want to do it.

If you want to take poison in to yourself for recreational purposes, that's on you. If you want to place others in danger by doing it and then driving a car, for example, that's no longer on you. The State has an interest in maintaining the safety of its citizens.

Agreed on democracy within the State.

There are no democracies in any State. Each State is a republic. The United States is a federated republic. There are currently no democracies anywhere in the world.

As a state, each one voted whether or not to secede and whether or not to join the CSA.

This is correct. The action was legitimate and not an act of war.

Not all states withdrew at once. IIRC, Texas withdrew after Lincoln invaded Virginia.

Also true.

 

[Into the Night]

I didn't know there were Civil War battles in North Dakota! What went on up there? The Sioux seceded?

These were skirmishes between supporters of the Union and supporters of the Confederates. Yes, on this map they are considered battles of the so-called 'Civil War', which was actually a War of Secession, not a civil war.
A civil war is where two or more factions attempt to take control of the government by force. The United States has never experienced a civil war. If the current insurrections break out into a general war, it will be the first civil war experienced by this nation.

 

[Into the Night]

Is it hard being the dumbest person here?

I wouldn't know. You could answer that question better than I could.

 

[Into the Night]

warping and framing society

What 'warping' and 'framing' of society?? Define the 'warping' and 'framing'. Be specific.

to be specifically beneficial to corporations,

What 'warping' and 'framing'? Be specific.

as though that's a well appointed focus for society, is though.

Word salad. Try English. It works better.

ppp, public private partnership is fascism.

So...if I decide to buy a tire from Goodyear, that's fascism???

How??

If I decide to purchase stock in Amazon, that's fascism??

How??

 

[Into the Night]

owning a business is not fascism. corrupting the entire society with lies and elitism is though.

What lies? What elitism? WTF are you talking about? Be specific.

 

[Into the Night]

The US Army didn't need a secession to massacre the Sioux or any other tribe. They kept doing it of decades. The Wounded Knee massacre was in 1890.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Wounded-Knee-Massacre
Wounded Knee Massacre, (December 29, 1890), the slaughter of approximately 150–300 Lakota Indians by United States Army troops in the area of Wounded Knee Creek in southwestern South Dakota. The massacre was the climax of the U.S. Army’s late 19th-century efforts to repress the Plains Indians. It broke any organized resistance to reservation life and assimilation to white American culture, although American Indian activists renewed public attention to the massacre during a 1973 occupation of the site...

...the U.S. Army unceremoniously buried 146 Miniconjou in a mass grave where the Hotchkiss guns had been placed, a location today known as Cemetery Hill. Many of the corpses were naked. Modern scholars estimate that between 250 and 300 Miniconjou were killed in total, almost half of whom were women and children. At least 25 U.S. soldiers also died, many likely fallen to friendly fire.

Not a civil war. Not a pretty story, but not a civil war either.