How do you determine who is illegal?

[TOP]

Generally I trust my clients about who they say they are.

So you don't check to see if they are who they are? How does that work when you go to court?

 

[Lionfish]

I currently have 32 clients

Once they all have renewed their auto warranty, is that why you post on the internet all day? Perhaps you should spend more time on the phone making random calls hoping for more 'clients'.

 

[Earl]

Otra vez:

This is a moot issue. There will be mass deportations starting on Jan. 20.

The Border Patrol and ICE will have no problem identifying who is illegal.

The Sanctuary cities and states will try to protect these illegal criminals, the insane, rapists, and murderers but they will not succeed. Americans will remember which party is doing this and the fact that Laken Riley and other Americans would be alive today were it not for the Democrats allowing them to cross illegally and protecting them in their sanctuary cities and states,

We will not forget what these far left Democratic socialist loons did to America and what they are still trying to do to America.

The most salient issue, the Democratic plan to bring in millions of illegals for their votes, has FAILED.

 

[Kurmugeon]

Otra vez:

This is a moot issue. There will be mass deportations starting on Jan. 20.

The Border Patrol and ICE will have no problem identifying who is illegal.

The Sanctuary cities and states will try to protect these illegal criminals, the insane, rapists, and murderers but they will not succeed. Americans will remember which party is doing this and the fact that Laken Riley and other Americans would be alive today were it not for the Democrats allowing them to cross illegally and protecting them in their sanctuary cities and states,

We will not forget what these far left Democratic socialist loons did to America and what they are still trying to do to America.

The most salient issue, the Democratic plan to bring in millions of illegals for their votes, has FAILED.

It is partly for votes... Yes. No doubt.

But it is also for the ability to "Disappear" some of them, to harvest transplant organs.

It is also to "Disappear" some of them for mRNA Longevity Treatment development tech, Aging Hormone suppression Experiments. (This is also the reason behind the state pushing the whole Trans Crap in public schools. They need the pre-adolescent medical test subjects who are a "Blank Slate" yet, so it is clear what particular genetic Alleles are affect by their experimental mRNA treatments. )

It is also to get "under the table", unskilled laborers, whom the employer does not have to pay minimum wage, match SSI, workman's Comp, and unemployment taxes.

It is also to drive down the wages of American Workers.

There are a host of reasons that the Wealthy Elites want the illegal immigrant massive invasion.

None of their reasons have a down side for the Elites.

All of the reasons the Elites want them, is a huge down side for the American Working Class!!!

The Open-Borders/Globalization Thang, is really Class warfare!

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[Phantasmal]

False, many Americans and legal green card holders speak no English.

Go to Vermont, many only speak French.

The same here in Texas. Kansas as well. You are only required to know basic English. My friends mother learned enough to pass the test, but she can not have an in-depth conversation with you in English.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

If you are stopped for a traffic offense, whatever it may be, you will have to show your driver's license, registration, and insurance proof. That goes for anybody. All I've added is, if you don't have a Real ID--something apparent from the driver's license--or alternate ID, that gives the officer that stopped you reason to believe you are possibly not in the country legally. That may or may not lead to further issues during the traffic stop.

I showed in the previous video how a man stopped for something wouldn't identify himself to police correctly and that led to his arrest. Same thing here.

This isn't a "show my your papers" thing. A naturalized citizen can get a Real ID. Someone on a green card would have the card with them. A foreigner on vacation would have a passport with an immigration stamp in it.


You have no right to refuse to identify yourself to a police officer. That isn't some violation of your rights. TSA agents at an airport can ask for your ID and do so of everyone. Entering many government buildings, local, state, or federal, requires you show ID. If you are driving a motor vehicle and are stopped, you have to show ID.

Nowhere did I suggest the police will simply be conducting random stops of persons walking in public, or that sort of thing.


Nonsense. By making anything requiring an ID now requires one that gives proof of legal residence or citizenship in the US means that someone here illegally cannot:

Buy products like alcohol, tobacco, etc.
Open or use a bank account
Send a wire transfer
Enter a legal contract
Sign any document requiring a notary stamp
Obtain employment

That will have a serious, and chilling effect on illegal immigration. Many, even most, illegals would self-deport in such circumstances. Sure, going after employers would be useful and necessary, but it is hardly the only means of dealing with this situation.


This isn't about "demonizing outsiders," it's about removing criminals from our society. 100% of illegal immigrants in the US are criminals. We do not need criminals in society.

Again, and I will repeat this. Not having ID on you is not, even when you’re driving, is not probable cause for you to prove your citizenship status to any local law enforcement.

And it’s not about removing criminals. It also goes without saying that the overwhelming majority of the times it’s done based on racial profiling. I have experienced that myself, or rather my wife has, because she is a naturalized citizen and she is not Caucasian.

We were pulled over in a DUI checkpoint. I was driving and my wife was a passenger. The police wanted to see her ID. Since she wasn’t driving I asked the police officer what his probable cause was for asking her for her ID? He went ballistic on me and started making threats and then told me that since she was obviously a Latina he had probable cause to ask her for her ID. (She isn’t a Latina. She’s a Filipina). I told her not to show her ID and requested a supervisor. The officer still continued to threaten the both of us with arrest but did call for a supervisor. I told the police officer that a persons citizenship ship status was out of his jurisdiction and that basing probable cause on racial profiling was unlawful. When the Supervisor appeared he asked the officer what the problem was and told him his side. When he asked me what was going on I said the officer was asking my wife for her ID for proof of citizenship and was basing probable cause based on her race. The Supervisor promptly said. You’re right. You can be on your way.

And that is where this bullshit is leading. Harassment of both legal residents and naturalized citizens. Maybe you missed how Trump demonized legal Haitian residents down the road from me? Maybe you missed that Trump intends now to go after naturalized citizens and not just Illegal immigrants. So don’t give me this bullshit that legal immigrants are not being demonized.

Besides that what you’re suggesting is treating the symptom and not the problem. It won’t work. It will just lead to a bunch of innocent legal residents and citizens being harassed by law enforcement based on their race or ethnicity and that is already happening which I predicted four years ago is where this demonization of immigrants would lead to. Your suggestion would have no impact on illegal immigration.

 

[Jarod]

Are they REAL laws, or just make-believe tater head "laws"?

Real ones, and constitutional provisions established by the founders.

 

[Jarod]

So you don't check to see if they are who they are? How does that work when you go to court?

So far they have always been who they said they were, never been an issue.

Once I prosecuted a kid who said it was his twin who did it, that was a long time ago, I don’t remember what happened. He was not my client.

 

[Diogenes]

Once I prosecuted a kid who said it was his twin who did it, that was a long time ago, I don’t remember what happened.

You got fired. Martin County, wasn't it?

 

[volsrock1]

Generally I trust my clients about who they say they are.

The client identification and verification process are the most vital step in establishing a legally compliant lawyer/client relationship. This process prevents fraud and safeguards the interests of all parties involved.

 

[volsrock1]

Generally I trust my clients about who they say they are.

you need a valid photo ID to enter a federal courthouse

Yes, anyone 18 years or older will need to present photo ID to enter the courthouse. Anyone under 18 years of age that wishes to enter the courthouse, needs to be accompanied by a person 18 years or older that has ID.

https://waw.fd.org/resources/client-family-resources/courtroom-etiquette-faqs#:~:text=Do%20I%20need%20ID%20to,or%20older%20that%20has%20ID.

 

[volsrock1]

Generally I trust my clients about who they say they are.

do they ID the possible Jurors when they show up for Jury Duty?

are does the court pinkie finger trust them all?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Again, and I will repeat this. Not having ID on you is not, even when you’re driving, is not probable cause for you to prove your citizenship status to any local law enforcement.

It could be with lack of a Real ID and nothing else in lieu of.

And it’s not about removing criminals. It also goes without saying that the overwhelming majority of the times it’s done based on racial profiling. I have experienced that myself, or rather my wife has, because she is a naturalized citizen and she is not Caucasian.

It is in part. Each and every ILLEGAL immigrant is by definition, a criminal. Nobody can help that the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants are Hispanic, and a portion are Black and Asian. That's just how things go. That isn't "racial profiling," it's just how things are.

We were pulled over in a DUI checkpoint. I was driving and my wife was a passenger. The police wanted to see her ID. Since she wasn’t driving I asked the police officer what his probable cause was for asking her for her ID? He went ballistic on me and started making threats and then told me that since she was obviously a Latina he had probable cause to ask her for her ID. (She isn’t a Latina. She’s a Filipina). I told her not to show her ID and requested a supervisor. The officer still continued to threaten the both of us with arrest but did call for a supervisor. I told the police officer that a persons citizenship ship status was out of his jurisdiction and that basing probable cause on racial profiling was unlawful. When the Supervisor appeared he asked the officer what the problem was and told him his side. When he asked me what was going on I said the officer was asking my wife for her ID for proof of citizenship and was basing probable cause based on her race. The Supervisor promptly said. You’re right. You can be on your way.

In that particular case the officer was in the wrong. You made a mistake too in trying to cite what isn't codified law to the officer / supervisor. If she had ID on her, she should just show it and you're on your way. The supervisor was smart enough to recognize it wasn't worth the fight and sent you on your way, but that doesn't mean you were any more correct than the original officer was.

And that is where this bullshit is leading. Harassment of both legal residents and naturalized citizens. Maybe you missed how Trump demonized legal Haitian residents down the road from me? Maybe you missed that Trump intends now to go after naturalized citizens and not just Illegal immigrants. So don’t give me this bullshit that legal immigrants are not being demonized.

Then maybe we should put a whole shitload of effort into getting rid of the millions of illegals so we don't have to. You are on the wrong side of the issue. That is, it isn't the illegals we should be siding with. They are criminals and breaking the law. Let's get them arrested and deported so we can go back to not having to check people's immigration status at all.
Whining that you are being hassled when there are hundreds to tens of thousands of illegals where you live who are criminals is upside down. You should be applauding an effort to identify, arrest, and remove them from your community.
Legal immigrants and citizens aren't being "demonized." They are caught in a situation made worse by idiots and whiny assholes who think that illegal immigration isn't a crime, and open borders are a good thing.

Besides that what you’re suggesting is treating the symptom and not the problem. It won’t work. It will just lead to a bunch of innocent legal residents and citizens being harassed by law enforcement based on their race or ethnicity and that is already happening which I predicted four years ago is where this demonization of immigrants would lead to. Your suggestion would have no impact on illegal immigration.

What I'm suggesting is one of many necessary solutions to a serious crime problem. What won't work is turning a blind eye to it, demanding that law enforcement's hands are tied to the point they can do nothing, and then wondering why the problem is getting worse. We just saw that in California where they made a law that shoplifting to $950 was essentially no longer a crime. That just made shoplifting worse exponentially. Now it's gotten so bad, they rescinded that law and are again pushing for enforcement.

It's no different with illegal immigration. We've downplayed and ignored it far too long and now the problem is epidemic.

And, yes, requiring a Real ID to do anything requiring an ID would have a significant impact on the problem. It's far better than hand wringing and whining that you might have to show your ID to someone to do something.

 

[Teflon Don]

How will you prove that a person who won’t tell you his name doesn’t have a birth certificate? In fact, even with a name how will you prove no birth certificate?

You can’t be this dense. Don’t have to prove a negative. They simply have to produce one. Can’t produce proof of citizenship? Bye bye.

Why do you want illegals here so badly?

 

[volsrock1]

And it’s not about removing criminals. It also goes without saying that the overwhelming majority of the times it’s done based on racial profiling. I have experienced that myself, or rather my wife has, because she is a naturalized citizen and she is not Caucasian.

Does she have an ID

yes or no

 

[Phantasmal]

Again, and I will repeat this. Not having ID on you is not, even when you’re driving, is not probable cause for you to prove your citizenship status to any local law enforcement.

And it’s not about removing criminals. It also goes without saying that the overwhelming majority of the times it’s done based on racial profiling. I have experienced that myself, or rather my wife has, because she is a naturalized citizen and she is not Caucasian.

We were pulled over in a DUI checkpoint. I was driving and my wife was a passenger. The police wanted to see her ID. Since she wasn’t driving I asked the police officer what his probable cause was for asking her for her ID? He went ballistic on me and started making threats and then told me that since she was obviously a Latina he had probable cause to ask her for her ID. (She isn’t a Latina. She’s a Filipina). I told her not to show her ID and requested a supervisor. The officer still continued to threaten the both of us with arrest but did call for a supervisor. I told the police officer that a persons citizenship ship status was out of his jurisdiction and that basing probable cause on racial profiling was unlawful. When the Supervisor appeared he asked the officer what the problem was and told him his side. When he asked me what was going on I said the officer was asking my wife for her ID for proof of citizenship and was basing probable cause based on her race. The Supervisor promptly said. You’re right. You can be on your way.

And that is where this bullshit is leading. Harassment of both legal residents and naturalized citizens. Maybe you missed how Trump demonized legal Haitian residents down the road from me? Maybe you missed that Trump intends now to go after naturalized citizens and not just Illegal immigrants. So don’t give me this bullshit that legal immigrants are not being demonized.

Besides that what you’re suggesting is treating the symptom and not the problem. It won’t work. It will just lead to a bunch of innocent legal residents and citizens being harassed by law enforcement based on their race or ethnicity and that is already happening which I predicted four years ago is where this demonization of immigrants would lead to. Your suggestion would have no impact on illegal immigration.

Does she have an ID

yes or no

Do you read for content, Mott stated, he informed his wife not to show her ID.

 

[Diogenes]

So you don't check to see if they are who they are? How does that work when you go to court?

He settles.

 

[Into the Night]

Who said they do?

You did.

 

[Into the Night]

Hardy a legally-justifiable probable cause, is it?

Yes...it is.

 

[Diogenes]

Yes...it is.

Is it?