How do you determine who is illegal?

I don't recall any lefties protesting on JPP about this...

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T. A. Gardner said:
Agreed. But the simplest method to force compliance at the state and local level is for the federal government to withhold funding to the state or locality that isn't cooperating until they do in full.
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That is certainly one avenue, but also these people need to be prosecuted for violating federal law. They ARE subject to that federal law.
 
Into the Night said:
That is certainly one avenue, but also these people need to be prosecuted for violating federal law. They ARE subject to that federal law.
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Sometimes it's just better, cheaper, and easier, to get someone to do what you want than force them into it and try and punish them on top of that in politics. Better to create subjects that fear you to creating enemies that hate you.
 
Into the Night said:
Yes it is! Traveling is a right, just as choosing the mode of travel.
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Commercial air travel is not considered an absolute right in the USA.

Here's why:

  • Legal Framework: The right to travel, as recognized by U.S. courts, does not extend to a specific mode of transportation like air travel. According to judicial precedents, while there is a constitutional right to travel, this does not guarantee access to any particular form of transportation such as commercial airlines. For instance, in the case of Gilmore v. Ashcroft the court clarified that the Constitution does not guarantee travel by any particular form of transportation.

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and other regulatory bodies have the authority to impose various restrictions and requirements on air travel for reasons including safety, security, and operational efficiency.

These regulations can affect who can fly, under what conditions, and how airlines operate. The "No Fly List" maintained by the U.S. government is one example where individuals can be barred from flying for security reasons, further illustrating that air travel is not an absolute right.

Historically, air travel was a luxury and later became regulated under frameworks like the Civil Aeronautics Board until deregulation in 1978, which shifted the paradigm to market-driven operations but did not establish air travel as an absolute right. The evolution of air travel rights has been more about consumer protections (like compensation for overbooking) rather than establishing an absolute right to fly.

In summary, while air travel is accessible to many in the U.S., it is regulated, and access can be restricted based on numerous factors, thereby not qualifying as an absolute right.

@Grok
 
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) determines citizenship status through a variety of methods and sources. Here's how they typically proceed:

ICE requires individuals to provide proof of citizenship. Acceptable documents include passports, voter ID cards, birth certificates, or naturalization certificates. If someone claims to be a U.S. citizen but cannot immediately prove it with such documentation, they might be detained until their status can be verified.

During encounters, ICE officers might interview individuals to gather information about their citizenship or immigration status. This can involve questions about place of birth, family background, and immigration history. If there's a claim of U.S. citizenship, the burden of proof generally falls on the individual to demonstrate they are not an alien, although legally, ICE must establish probable cause that someone is not a U.S. citizen before pursuing further action.

ICE has access to various databases, including those from state departments of motor vehicles (DMVs) through networks like Nlets, and criminal justice databases like the National Crime Information Center (NCIC). These databases help in cross-referencing the information provided by individuals against records that might indicate citizenship or immigration status. However, these databases are not always 100% accurate, which can lead to errors in determining citizenship.

When someone is arrested by local or state law enforcement, ICE might place an immigration detainer if there's a suspicion of illegal presence. This involves further investigation into the individual's citizenship or immigration status, often leading to interviews in custody. If there's evidence suggesting U.S. citizenship, it should be investigated further, but instances of U.S. citizens being detained due to database errors or miscommunications have been documented.

@Grok

Brad could've answered his own question quickly and easily, IN MERE SECONDS, the same way I did.

But he still hasn't

Guess why.
 
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