How is Venezuela getting illegals into the US

[Concart]

Tren de Aragua members have been linked to crimes throughout the United States, including murders. Tren de Aragua first appeared in Chicago and its suburbs in October 2023. Chief Garry McCarthy of Willow Springs estimated that hundreds of gang members were present in the city.

Tren de Aragua - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

got a link that states different ???

So Chicago is the entire country? Try again.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Yes, there is a vetting process. You should have known this before you started posting in this thread. We are specifically talking about Trump's claim surrounding Venezuela. So I'm asking about those drops in prison population and homicide rates. Why are those numbers dropping, and if, as Trump claims, they are coming into the US, how are they getting here?

Are you claiming that 13,000 convicted murders entered the country under Biden? Do you have a link to prove that claim?

Biden provided the information, as you well know........

 

[Libhater]

50,000 Venezuelans entered the U.S. unauthorized in September of this year, eclipsing the previous 2022 September mark of 34,000 migrants from Venezuela entered Border Patrol custody. So there's your stats on what Trump rightly called an invasion by
Venezuela. Hey Concart, you may want to start a new post by admitting this OP of yours is just hogwash.

Record number of Venezuelan migrants crossed U.S.-Mexico border in September, internal data show

Approximately 50,000 migrants from crisis-stricken Venezuela crossed the U.S.-Mexico border unlawfully last month, a monthly record.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[volsrock1]

So Chicago is the entire country? Try again.

Lets see your link stating they were here before 2020

 

[volsrock1]

So Chicago is the entire country? Try again.

So Chicago is the entire country? Try again.

Tren de Aragua has been operating in Texas since 2021 with arrests for human trafficking. DPS Director Steve McCraw identified El Paso as its “ground zero.”

Tren de Aragua: What to know about the Venezuelan gang making headlines in San Antonio and Texas

A Venezuelan gang named Tren de Aragua has been making headlines lately in Texas.

www.ksat.com

 

[volsrock1]

So Chicago is the entire country? Try again.

Sept. 23, 2024
A Venezuelan Gang Reaches New York


The Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua — a feared criminal organization that concentrates on sex trafficking, human smuggling and drug dealing — has emerged in New York City amid the surge of migrants in the last two years.

Criminal cases and arrests from across the country suggest that members began arriving over the past few years as the number of people crossing the southern border, especially Venezuelans, surged during the Biden administration.

A Venezuelan Gang Reaches New York

Law enforcement officials are working to curb the growth of Tren de Aragua, a gang that began in a Venezuelan prison and has been linked to crimes in other countries and several states in the U.S.

www.nytimes.com

Oopsies!!!!!


has emerged in New York City amid the surge of migrants in the last two years.....especially Venezuelans, surged during the Biden administration.


From the NYTs

Now your link from before 2021

 

[Concart]

Sept. 23, 2024
A Venezuelan Gang Reaches New York


The Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua — a feared criminal organization that concentrates on sex trafficking, human smuggling and drug dealing — has emerged in New York City amid the surge of migrants in the last two years.

Criminal cases and arrests from across the country suggest that members began arriving over the past few years as the number of people crossing the southern border, especially Venezuelans, surged during the Biden administration.

A Venezuelan Gang Reaches New York

Law enforcement officials are working to curb the growth of Tren de Aragua, a gang that began in a Venezuelan prison and has been linked to crimes in other countries and several states in the U.S.

www.nytimes.com

Oopsies!!!!!


has emerged in New York City amid the surge of migrants in the last two years.....especially Venezuelans, surged during the Biden administration.


From the NYTs

Now your link from before 2021

Where did all those prisoners go when they were released during the Trump Administration. LOL at you. Everything Trump claims is projection. And you rubes keep falling for it.

 

[volsrock1]

Where did all those prisoners go when they were released during the Trump Administration. LOL at you. Everything Trump claims is projection. And you rubes keep falling for it.

Large numbers of Venezuelans began reaching the U.S. in 2021, first by flying to Mexico and then on foot and by bus after Mexico imposed visa restrictions. In September, Venezuelans briefly replaced Mexicans as the largest nationality crossing the border.

Venezuelans increasingly stuck in Mexico, lowering illegal crossings to US

Mexico's immigration crackdown has hit Venezuelans especially hard

www.voanews.com

Oopsies!!!!!

 

[volsrock1]

Where did all those prisoners go when they were released during the Trump Administration. LOL at you. Everything Trump claims is projection. And you rubes keep falling for it.

Between 2015 and 2018—the height of Venezuela’s humanitarian crisis—fewer than 100 Venezuelan migrants were apprehended at the border each year. In 2022, more than 150,000 Venezuelans arrived at the U.S. border. It was almost four times the number of migrants that arrived just one year before.

The 5,000-Mile Journey | Project HOPE

Amid pandemic fallout, climate change, and growing instability, migrants are risking their lives on the northward journey to reach the US.

www.projecthope.org

In 2022, more than 150,000 Venezuelans arrived at the U.S. border.

Before that it was less than 100

Oopsies!!!!!

 

[Concart]

Large numbers of Venezuelans began reaching the U.S. in 2021, first by flying to Mexico and then on foot and by bus after Mexico imposed visa restrictions. In September, Venezuelans briefly replaced Mexicans as the largest nationality crossing the border.

Venezuelans increasingly stuck in Mexico, lowering illegal crossings to US

Mexico's immigration crackdown has hit Venezuelans especially hard

www.voanews.com

Oopsies!!!!!

Venezuelans are not all criminals and prisoner. So that may be interesting, but it doesn't answer the question. You aren't very good at this, are you?

 

[Concart]

Biden provided the information, as you well know........

No. Because it is a lie.

 

[volsrock1]

Venezuelans are not all criminals and prisoner. So that may be interesting, but it doesn't answer the question. You aren't very good at this, are you?

Still waiting on your link stating the gang got here before 2021


Criminal cases and arrests from across the country suggest that members began arriving over the past few years as the number of people crossing the southern border, especially Venezuelans, surged during the Biden administration.

A Venezuelan Gang Reaches New York

Law enforcement officials are working to curb the growth of Tren de Aragua, a gang that began in a Venezuelan prison and has been linked to crimes in other countries and several states in the U.S.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Concart]

Still waiting on your link stating the gang got here before 2021


Criminal cases and arrests from across the country suggest that members began arriving over the past few years as the number of people crossing the southern border, especially Venezuelans, surged during the Biden administration.

A Venezuelan Gang Reaches New York

Law enforcement officials are working to curb the growth of Tren de Aragua, a gang that began in a Venezuelan prison and has been linked to crimes in other countries and several states in the U.S.

www.nytimes.com

Well, you've got a long wait, because that's not the question. Carry on with your digression.

 

[volsrock1]

Well, you've got a long wait, because that's not the question. Carry on with your digression.

where is your link?

 

[Earl]

So Chicago is the entire country? Try again.

This is pathetic, he proved you wrong, again.

 

[Earl]

where is your link?

He doesn’t have one but you did and posted it.

He’s a nutter.

 

[Concart]

where is your link?

To what? Just because you demand something from me that has nothing to do with the thread I started, it doesn't mean I'm obliged to do so. Your anti-immigrant rhetoric is unadulterated bullshit. The crime rate is Venezuela has been doctored by Maduro for the last decade. People that are fleeing the country are not criminals. The criminals, if they present at the border, will not be allowed into the country. The new policy is intended for refugees from the violence in their countries. You hate them because they are not white. You are not all that hard to figure out. A racist who has clung to a cult leader because you need an excuse for your pathetic life.

Carry on.

 

[Nordberg]

Rightys are quite nuts. Nearly 8 million Venezuelans have fled their country. 50 K here is not out of expectations. Lots of countries are receiving refugees. They are not all criminals, not even close.

 

[volsrock1]

Yesterday Donald Trump claimed that crime was down 72% in Venezia. He claimed that Venezuelan prisons were almost empty because criminals were being ‘bussed into the US.’

How does this work exactly? What are the logistics? How are they getting in? How do these buses get across the border. How are these individuals convinced to to the US. How many have entered the country?


Maybe those who believe this can explain it. I don’t believe it because I don’t see how it’s possible? What has been the statistic regarding reduced population in prisons. Convince me with numbers and logic.

Venezuelan migrants and refugees use a variety of routes to reach the United States, including by land, sea, and air:

• Flying to Mexico: Many Venezuelans first fly to Mexico, then continue on foot or by bus to the U.S.
  
  
  
• Crossing the Darién Gap: Some migrants travel overland through Central America and Mexico, crossing the Darién Gap, a roadless jungle between Colombia and Panama.
  
  
  
• Taking short maritime routes: Some migrants take short sea routes to neighboring Caribbean islands.

Many Venezuelans have taken a difficult overland route to reach the U.S. southern border, transiting through the treacherous Darien Gap and Central America.



In fiscal year (FY) 2022, U.S. border authorities encountered irregularly arriving Venezuelan migrants more than any other year on record—190,000 times—and the 65,000 encounters over the first four months of FY 2023 were more than in all of FY 2021.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/venezuelan-immigrants-united-states-2021#:~:text=Some%20had%20first%20settled%20elsewhere,Darien%20Gap%20and%20Central%20America.

 

[Concart]

Venezuelan migrants and refugees use a variety of routes to reach the United States, including by land, sea, and air:

• Flying to Mexico: Many Venezuelans first fly to Mexico, then continue on foot or by bus to the U.S.
  
  
  
• Crossing the Darién Gap: Some migrants travel overland through Central America and Mexico, crossing the Darién Gap, a roadless jungle between Colombia and Panama.
  
  
  
• Taking short maritime routes: Some migrants take short sea routes to neighboring Caribbean islands.

Many Venezuelans have taken a difficult overland route to reach the U.S. southern border, transiting through the treacherous Darien Gap and Central America.



In fiscal year (FY) 2022, U.S. border authorities encountered irregularly arriving Venezuelan migrants more than any other year on record—190,000 times—and the 65,000 encounters over the first four months of FY 2023 were more than in all of FY 2021.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/venezuelan-immigrants-united-states-2021#:~:text=Some%20had%20first%20settled%20elsewhere,Darien%20Gap%20and%20Central%20America.

So what? I am happy that they are allowed to request asylum. I don't blindly hate them like you do. And no one is sending them. Why would anyone go at the instruction of the government. I'd tell them to fuck off.