In Trump's America "Christian" is no longer a religious faith

Well, I'd assume that all Trump supporters were atheists, but very cynical ones - but, then, there are some very odd religions. What trumpers certainly are not is any kind of Christian whatever. They worship money and power.

Why Christianity is considered a religious faith that sounds as if all they're claiming in the name of a fabricated misnomer of an immaculate conception is making money by killing is the extent of why Christianity believes it gets forgiven for seems no different from Islam killing for Mohammed's Valhalla martyrdom gains also.
 
Once again, the Mueller report did not prove what you're assuming. If it had, then the Democrats wouldn't have had to jump into the Ukraine goose chase to arrive at their impeachment nonsense. They could have simply held an impeachment vote after the release of the Mueller report.

They wanted to, but Pelosi refused to go through with it because she felt it would be too divisive. I think that was a huge mistake because Trump and his Fascist goons were then able to claim the Mueller Report found nothing. And she's making the same mistake now. She's not submitting the articles of impeachment because she knows the Republicans are not going to have a fair trial. But that just lets Trumpcucks ignorantly claim that the Ukraine scandal isn't a real scandal.

Sure. We should stop the normalization of pointless investigations. Admittedly, it started with what the Republicans did to Clinton.

What Clinton did was fucked up, but not really a political matter. What Trump did actually is a political matter that could have severely undermined democratic elections. I'd argue that if he gets away with it, then he will have normalized the process, thus still hurting Democracy.

I don't think he should have been removed. Yes, he technically committed perjury, but his overall performance as president wasn't bad. Also, I certainly did not want Gore running things. He wasn't a moderate like Clinton.

It's fair that you feel that way, but what you're basically saying is that it's ok for the president to break the law if said president is doing a good job. It's the same logic Trumpcucks are using right now. Imagine if we did that with average people. Jim robbed a bank, but he's a great doctor, so we're not going to arrest him.
By letting the president break laws, regardless of the reasoning, we're moving the Overton Window towards Fascism. We're saying this guy is so good, he's above the law, and that's how dictators are made.

More hyperbole. If Trump gets re-elected, we'll see if the gulags actually happen. I'm pretty confident we're not anywhere near that.

It won't happen with Trump, but it will happen down the line. Trump is moving the Overton Window in that he's getting us used to the president using the office to ensure a reelection. If the next guy wants to use the office to get more Republicans or Democrats elected in state governments, it's going to be a pretty easy sell. Americans will have that mentality of, 'well I don't really like that, but Trump did it, this is just what presidents do.' Continue that degradation of Democracy and I have no doubt that killing political opponents will eventually be accepted.
 
They wanted to, but Pelosi refused to go through with it because she felt it would be too divisive. I think that was a huge mistake because Trump and his Fascist goons were then able to claim the Mueller Report found nothing. And she's making the same mistake now. She's not submitting the articles of impeachment because she knows the Republicans are not going to have a fair trial. But that just lets Trumpcucks ignorantly claim that the Ukraine scandal isn't a real scandal.

Oh, I definitely want Pelosi to bring this to the Senate. I don't think she's stalling because of concerns of divisiveness or of there not being a fair trial. She's waiting until we get closer to the election. This nonsense doesn't serve her party's interests if people forget about it before the election.

What Clinton did was fucked up, but not really a political matter. What Trump did actually is a political matter that could have severely undermined democratic elections. I'd argue that if he gets away with it, then he will have normalized the process, thus still hurting Democracy.

It's fair that you feel that way, but what you're basically saying is that it's ok for the president to break the law if said president is doing a good job. It's the same logic Trumpcucks are using right now. Imagine if we did that with average people. Jim robbed a bank, but he's a great doctor, so we're not going to arrest him.
By letting the president break laws, regardless of the reasoning, we're moving the Overton Window towards Fascism. We're saying this guy is so good, he's above the law, and that's how dictators are made.

The way it usually works is that things get buried. With Clinton, the Lewinsky scandal was pretty tame. If Clinton was deserving of being removed for something, it had more to do with the rape accusations against him. Of course, all of his accusers were either attacked relentlessly by the media or were simply silenced. So yes, it was never proven that he raped or assaulted anyone, but it was never really allowed to be investigated.

In short, presidents already are largely above the law, which is why little surprises me. People act like what we're seeing with Trump is unprecedented, but it's really not.

It won't happen with Trump, but it will happen down the line. Trump is moving the Overton Window in that he's getting us used to the president using the office to ensure a reelection. If the next guy wants to use the office to get more Republicans or Democrats elected in state governments, it's going to be a pretty easy sell. Americans will have that mentality of, 'well I don't really like that, but Trump did it, this is just what presidents do.' Continue that degradation of Democracy and I have no doubt that killing political opponents will eventually be accepted.

The overall logic of what you're saying makes sense, although we do live in a world where the media tells us that Epstein killed himself. It seems pretty obvious that the truth is quite different. We'll probably never know who exactly killed him, but he clearly had a lot of enemies. We'll probably never know the true story about Kennedy's death either.

What I'm saying is that political enemies are already being killed. They just don't do it as blatantly as gulags. Now, China has no problem with being that blatant, but the media doesn't like to talk about their "black jails" or what they're doing to the Uyghurs.

That being said, we do have a history of using "renditions" against foreign enemies. And the last president set the precedent that the government can make a kill order against a US citizen. So, yeah, you could say we are approaching certain fascist activities.

The same is true for the FISA hop policy I referenced.
 
Oh, I definitely want Pelosi to bring this to the Senate. I don't think she's stalling because of concerns of divisiveness or of there not being a fair trial. She's waiting until we get closer to the election. This nonsense doesn't serve her party's interests if people forget about it before the election.

Yeah, some pundits are saying she's doing this so that it hangs over Trump's head during the election, or that there will be a better chance of a fair trial by then people there will be more Democrats in the Senate. I don't know for sure what her reasoning is, but I think waiting is a mistake, as was letting Trump get away with the Russian collusion.


The way it usually works is that things get buried. With Clinton, the Lewinsky scandal was pretty tame. If Clinton was deserving of being removed for something, it had more to do with the rape accusations against him. Of course, all of his accusers were either attacked relentlessly by the media or were simply silenced. So yes, it was never proven that he raped or assaulted anyone, but it was never really allowed to be investigated.

In short, presidents already are largely above the law, which is why little surprises me. People act like what we're seeing with Trump is unprecedented, but it's really not.

Presidents are above the law because we, as the public, are conditioned to believe they have a right to be above the law. Trump breaking the law isn't unprecedented, but what is unprecedented is him getting caught with this one specific crime and the entire Republican party defending him. And if he gets away with it, the public gets taught that this is yet another thing the president can legally do.

I agree that having an extramarital affair is tame in that it's not political and it should have remained the Clintons' private business. But letting Clinton get away with lying under oath is another one of those little things that further lifts the president above the law in the eyes of the public.

What I'm saying is that political enemies are already being killed. They just don't do it as blatantly as gulags. Now, China has no problem with being that blatant, but the media doesn't like to talk about their "black jails" or what they're doing to the Uyghurs.

That being said, we do have a history of using "renditions" against foreign enemies. And the last president set the precedent that the government can make a kill order against a US citizen. So, yeah, you could say we are approaching certain fascist activities.

The same is true for the FISA hop policy I referenced.

So then what we should be doing is trying to move the Overton Window back in the opposite direction. I wish there was severe backlash against Obama for the way he used his drone program.

When it comes to Epstein, we can't really do anything, because we don't know who killed him. I think the memes are really good because at least it calls attention to this, but other than that, we can't do much.
But the fact that we still have whistleblowers and impeachment shows that we still have checks and balances. If a person in power gets caught breaking the law, they could still be held accountable. And we could still hold Trump accountable by voting against him in 2020 in order to say we don't care how rich and powerful you are, we're not going to accept the rigging of elections.

Basically what I'm saying is that sometimes the rich and powerful blatantly break the law and get away with it, but not all the time. And if we can do anything about it, we should. In this case of Trump, we can do something.

I'd compare this to what happened to Bill Cosby. Sure, rich people rape young women all the time and get away with it. But a comedian still called him out, it went viral, his career was ruined, and now he's in jail. This means that rich people, like whoever had Epstein killed, don't always win. It's just a question of if we are going to sit back and let it happen, or if we're going to do something.
 
Yeah, some pundits are saying she's doing this so that it hangs over Trump's head during the election, or that there will be a better chance of a fair trial by then people there will be more Democrats in the Senate. I don't know for sure what her reasoning is, but I think waiting is a mistake, as was letting Trump get away with the Russian collusion.




Presidents are above the law because we, as the public, are conditioned to believe they have a right to be above the law. Trump breaking the law isn't unprecedented, but what is unprecedented is him getting caught with this one specific crime and the entire Republican party defending him. And if he gets away with it, the public gets taught that this is yet another thing the president can legally do.

I agree that having an extramarital affair is tame in that it's not political and it should have remained the Clintons' private business. But letting Clinton get away with lying under oath is another one of those little things that further lifts the president above the law in the eyes of the public.



So then what we should be doing is trying to move the Overton Window back in the opposite direction. I wish there was severe backlash against Obama for the way he used his drone program.

When it comes to Epstein, we can't really do anything, because we don't know who killed him. I think the memes are really good because at least it calls attention to this, but other than that, we can't do much.
But the fact that we still have whistleblowers and impeachment shows that we still have checks and balances. If a person in power gets caught breaking the law, they could still be held accountable. And we could still hold Trump accountable by voting against him in 2020 in order to say we don't care how rich and powerful you are, we're not going to accept the rigging of elections.

Basically what I'm saying is that sometimes the rich and powerful blatantly break the law and get away with it, but not all the time. And if we can do anything about it, we should. In this case of Trump, we can do something.

I'd compare this to what happened to Bill Cosby. Sure, rich people rape young women all the time and get away with it. But a comedian still called him out, it went viral, his career was ruined, and now he's in jail. This means that rich people, like whoever had Epstein killed, don't always win. It's just a question of if we are going to sit back and let it happen, or if we're going to do something.

If the alternative to Trump wasn't so bad in policies, I'd consider it. The Democrats are going to have to change dramatically before I can support them.
 
If the alternative to Trump wasn't so bad in policies, I'd consider it. The Democrats are going to have to change dramatically before I can support them.

As far as I know, none of the Democrats running for president lie nearly as much as Trump or have tried to rig an election.
Yeah, Biden sucks, but he's not going to fundamentally change America. Biden will come and go. If Trump is reelected, America takes two dangerous steps towards Fascism.
 
Why Christianity is considered a religious faith that sounds as if all they're claiming in the name of a fabricated misnomer of an immaculate conception is making money by killing is the extent of why Christianity believes it gets forgiven for seems no different from Islam killing for Mohammed's Valhalla martyrdom gains also.

I don't think what I call Christianity is a religion. We mean different things. A very wide range of very different thinkers claim the name, and some of us are put off bothering because we aren't into 'God'.
 
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If the alternative to Trump wasn't so bad in policies, I'd consider it. The Democrats are going to have to change dramatically before I can support them.

You don't read as if you were half-witted, but, honestly, I don't think anyone outside America can imagine how anyone with an IQ of more than 50 could conceivably support the Fatman or the party that has sold out to his sick silliness. What is it with you, drugs?
 
it's white identity politics




Conservatives reject Christianity Today's position on impeachment, because it's about power, not morality or faith

Even amid the holiday pressures to turn away from the news cycle, it was enough to capture public attention: On Thursday, the day after the House formally impeached Donald Trump, Christianity Today, the flagship publication of evangelical America, published an opinion piece by editor in chief Mark Galli, arguing that Trump should be removed from office. In an essay that bends over backward to accommodate Republican talking points, Galli nonetheless argued that Trump is "a near perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused" and begs evangelicals to consider "what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior."

Galli, however, is under no illusions that his speaking out will move the needle with white evangelicals. He told CNN, "I don't have any imaginations that my editorial is going to shift their views on this matter."

Sure enough, a group of 177 evangelical leaders — led by Liberty University's head Jerry Falwell Jr., recently in the news for "accidentally" emailing revealing photos of his wife to multiple people and being photographed drinking and dancing in a nightclub, behavior forbidden to his students — released a letter denouncing Galli and complaining that he "questioned the spiritual integrity and Christian witness of tens-of-millions of believers."


https://www.salon.com/2019/12/23/in...-religious-faith-its-white-identity-politics/

Why are you so racist and bigoted?
 
I take it that you're not familiar with passive atheism.

Some people are atheist by default. I happen to be one of them. I don't claim to know there is no god. I simply choose not to believe in one unless I have sufficient evidence. It's no different from the principles of Occam's Razor and logical positivism.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The existence of an omnipotent, omniscient being requires a tremendous amount of evidence. Failing that, it is more logical to assume it does not exist.

But once again, I cannot prove a negative. So, I don't claim to know there is no god. It is merely an assumption.

Yeah...you can "assume" there are no gods...

...or you can do the more logical and reasonable thing...and leave it at I DO NOT KNOW.

If you do not leave it there, you ought at least recognize that what you call "assume" is merely a blind guess based on absolutely nothing.
 
You cannot prove a fictional creature does or does not exist. Show me proof that the Easter Bunny does not exist. There has never been physical evidence or real data proving either exists. You can believe if you want. Your youth training is very effective. Religions have spent 2000 years perfecting it and they all do it. Get to kids when they are young and stay on them. it works. Muslims have schools. Catholics have schools. Nearly all religions use the same propaganda techniques and they work very well.
I reject the whole concept. I know what they are doing. If a god existed he surely would have made a world announcement and all would change. There would be no religious wars. There would be no religious strife. It would be well within the power of a god to do. The fact he has not proves he does not exist. God would be an instrument of peace, not war.\
The whole idea of god insults logic and science.
 
Thus the sacrifice of the only MAN that walked this earth void of sin......Jesus the Christ, "But when the fullness of time came, God sent forth His Son, born of woman, born under the law.....to REDEEM those born under the law, that we might receive adoption as an heir of God through Christ." -- Gal. 4:4-5.

Jesus is our advocate that stands between our sin and God. The Christ was the perfect sacrifice UNDER THE OLD LAW to fulfill the requirements of the OLD COVENANT.

You purify your soul through obeying the GOSPEL TRUTH (1 Peter 1:22)…..per the conditions of the New Testament of Christ Jesus....the newest and last covenant between God and mankind...THE LAW of GRACE.

Mr. Trump simply adheres to the US RULE OF LAW and our guaranteed rights under the amended BILL OF RIGHTS....specifically the 1st amendment guarantee of religious freedom. Why would anyone support a party that demands religious freedom be removed as a public right protected under our bill of rights....such as the modern leftist democrat party and its mission to remove several of our guarantees found in our Constitution....such as the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 14th amendments? What party just exercised a political tribunal and bragged about not having to abide by THE RULE OF LAW and its due process protections? :bigthink:

What party supports the act murder called abortion? What party supports the anti-first amendment hate group called ANTIFA? What party was found guilty of spying and abusing the civil liberties of US citizens though abusing the FISA system? What party wants to take away your right of self protection guaranteed by our 2nd amendment? Yeah......I know why I support Mr. Trump. There are things worthy of hate. I simply hate FASCISM. Where we go 1 we go all. Merry Qmast.

Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text – which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation. such as:The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods :palm:

And many many more mis translations

https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/christian-proof-texting/
 
You don't read as if you were half-witted, but, honestly, I don't think anyone outside America can imagine how anyone with an IQ of more than 50 could conceivably support the Fatman or the party that has sold out to his sick silliness. What is it with you, drugs?

Well, if we're being blunt about things, plenty of Americans wonder why you would willingly hand over your sovereignty to Brussels, but then again, the Welsh are used to being slaves and subjects.
 
Yeah...you can "assume" there are no gods...

...or you can do the more logical and reasonable thing...and leave it at I DO NOT KNOW.

If you do not leave it there, you ought at least recognize that what you call "assume" is merely a blind guess based on absolutely nothing.

A militant agnostic. I never thought I'd see one of those.
 
As far as I know, none of the Democrats running for president lie nearly as much as Trump or have tried to rig an election.
Yeah, Biden sucks, but he's not going to fundamentally change America. Biden will come and go. If Trump is reelected, America takes two dangerous steps towards Fascism.

It's funny that you use the "fundamentally change" phrase. That was the same phrase many said about Obama. I don't think he fundamentally changed America, although the ACA was a mess.

I don't think Trump is changing us that much either. What is changing is that politics are being realigned. Republicans are leaning more nationalist, and Democrats are leaning more globalist. That's part of why the Rust Belt is the new "swing state" area.
 
You cannot prove a fictional creature does or does not exist. Show me proof that the Easter Bunny does not exist. There has never been physical evidence or real data proving either exists. You can believe if you want. Your youth training is very effective. Religions have spent 2000 years perfecting it and they all do it. Get to kids when they are young and stay on them. it works. Muslims have schools. Catholics have schools. Nearly all religions use the same propaganda techniques and they work very well.
I reject the whole concept. I know what they are doing. If a god existed he surely would have made a world announcement and all would change. There would be no religious wars. There would be no religious strife. It would be well within the power of a god to do. The fact he has not proves he does not exist. God would be an instrument of peace, not war.\
The whole idea of god insults logic and science.

Religion has its practical uses. Even for those of us that are secular in the West, most of us have morals that were created in a Christian context. Without Christianity, Western morality would likely be very different.

This isn't to say that you can't be moral without being religious, but secular morals do usually owe a lot to religion.

Another thing to consider is that humanity typically craves something to fill a "spiritual" void. Right now, Christians in the West are being replaced by Muslims, not just from immigration, but also from conversion. So while some historically Christian populations dwindle and drift towards atheism, they are being outbred and out-maneuvered by Muslims.

This isn't surprising when considering that most religions encourage large families, while a lot of secular people have less of a desire to procreate or raise families in general. And some people who are raised in an agnostic or atheist household will turn to religion for guidance.

In short, even with high amounts of education, religion persists. When one religion falls, another will take its place. And there are plenty of political ideologies that function similarly to religion by subscribing to unproven assumptions -- sometimes even disproven ones.
 
What else do you want from life, then? Sex, I suppose.

Success is what I'm going for. Ambition is a good thing for society in general, as long as that ambition doesn't involve trying to control everyone else. That would be the problem with politics.
 
Religion has its practical uses. Even for those of us that are secular in the West, most of us have morals that were created in a Christian context. Without Christianity, Western morality would likely be very different.

This isn't to say that you can't be moral without being religious, but secular morals do usually owe a lot to religion.

Another thing to consider is that humanity typically craves something to fill a "spiritual" void. Right now, Christians in the West are being replaced by Muslims, not just from immigration, but also from conversion. So while some historically Christian populations dwindle and drift towards atheism, they are being outbred and out-maneuvered by Muslims.

This isn't surprising when considering that most religions encourage large families, while a lot of secular people have less of a desire to procreate or raise families in general. And some people who are raised in an agnostic or atheist household will turn to religion for guidance.

In short, even with high amounts of education, religion persists. When one religion falls, another will take its place. And there are plenty of political ideologies that function similarly to religion by subscribing to unproven assumptions -- sometimes even disproven ones.

yes governments use religion to make their people calmer and more malleable. But the strife and conflict between religions loses that advantage. Religions are businesses that seek to grow by expansion, whatever they have to do.
Humanity is not craving that. it is schools that religion use to create that need. They ask the questions and supply the answers. They create these questions in kids who do not have the answers. They lack the knowledge and authority to resist. They are so easy to propagandize. It is cruel.
 
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