Let's Go, Get Woke, America!

cawacko said:
Unless we're all just robots, when having a discussion with someone it's rather hard not to have some personal level of engagement.

And you equate being woke with voting for Democrats. It's nothing but desire for political power. You're obviously free to declare yourself as woke and therefore not racist but words and actions aren't always the same thing.
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Because the Republican Party has made it that way



You believe lies


You are in a cult



Your cult will fail



Mankind will prosper when your cult fails



Truth will rule the world
 
cawacko said:
Unless we're all just robots, when having a discussion with someone it's rather hard not to have some personal level of engagement.

And you equate being woke with voting for Democrats. It's nothing but desire for political power. You're obviously free to declare yourself as woke and therefore not racist but words and actions aren't always the same thing.
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Because the Republican Party has made it that way



You believe lies


You are in a cult



Your cult will fail



Mankind will prosper when your cult fails



Truth will rule the world
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello cawacko,

You should really consider stopping with trying to make this all about the other person you're talking to.

I am not going to respond to any of that. I've made that clear. You're wasting your time and mine as well with that line. Stripping all of that out of your post left this:



That. That is the only politically functional part of your post. I'll respond to that.

I would suspect those Democrats are in close or losing races. Saying something like that is an appeal to the uninformed who have inappropriately attached a derogatory connotation to the word. That doesn't mean well-informed people think that way.
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To help me get a better understanding of how you define woke I'd love to get your thoughts on some hot button issues of the day:

1) Defund the Police - as the argument goes the police were originally created as slave patrols and as such are so seeped in systemic racism that reform is not possible, therefore our only option is to abolish them and recreate them in a different form

Can one still be woke and not go that far?

2) SAT tests - the UC system and now Harvard are eliminating the tests for admissions, as the argument goes they are culturally biased against black people

Can one be woke and still support the SAT's? (it's been argued that eliminating them is actually racist against black people because it claims they are incapable of 'competing' with all other races)

We could go on with many other examples but if we're discussing what being woke actually entails these are a couple of issues getting talked about now.
 
Some other woke positions:

Reparations. Any minority ever wronged by the majority (Whites) deserves a big cash payment to make things right. Doesn't matter if they personally were never wronged...

Voter suppression. Ballot harvesting, months long elections, automatic voter registration, no ID requirements, and the like are all things that the woke say would make elections more fair and democratic.

Fake news. This one is more about what the woke believe in the news and what others may disagree on as the truth. But for the woke, news that doesn't fit their world view is somehow "fake."

Being part of a 'street' organization, like BLM, Antifa, and the like. You can't be woke if you aren't out there protesting all the perceived wrongs in the world.

Pursuing diversity even when it is divisive.

This Salon article gives some wonderful examples of Woke culture:

https://www.salon.com/2020/02/08/wh...Taxes like unfair interest rates on mortgages.

These might include:

Group selfie at the protest

Screaming at a cop they'd never touch

Definitely that iconic image where a small group does the black power fist pump

Solo image doing the black power fist pump

And if you are lucky, you'll get that news worthy clip of yourself being arrested shouting "fight the power" as you go off to be detained for three hours
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Even the NYT has problems with being Woke...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/07/... doesn’t,you and the problem — not a solution.
 
evince said:
How so?


Is listening to what people of color tell us a bad thing?



And why do you believe that?
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just look what's happening in schools, for example...Have you?
Being "woke" is not "listening to what people of color tell us"-that makes no sense...No wonder you're confused...You don't even know what it means....:palm:
 
TOP said:
just look what's happening in schools, for example...Have you?
Being "woke" is not "listening to what people of color tell us"-that makes no sense...No wonder you're confused...You don't even know what it means....:palm:
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You hate anyone discussing racism in schools
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Some other woke positions:

Reparations. Any minority ever wronged by the majority (Whites) deserves a big cash payment to make things right. Doesn't matter if they personally were never wronged...

Voter suppression. Ballot harvesting, months long elections, automatic voter registration, no ID requirements, and the like are all things that the woke say would make elections more fair and democratic.

Fake news. This one is more about what the woke believe in the news and what others may disagree on as the truth. But for the woke, news that doesn't fit their world view is somehow "fake."

Being part of a 'street' organization, like BLM, Antifa, and the like. You can't be woke if you aren't out there protesting all the perceived wrongs in the world.

Pursuing diversity even when it is divisive.

This Salon article gives some wonderful examples of Woke culture:

https://www.salon.com/2020/02/08/wh...Taxes like unfair interest rates on mortgages.

These might include:



Even the NYT has problems with being Woke...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/07/... doesn’t,you and the problem — not a solution.
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That’s one guys opinion fool
 
Before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Brooks argued forcefully for American military intervention, echoing the belief of commentators and political figures that American and British forces would be welcomed as liberators.[48][49] In 2005, Brooks wrote what columnist Jonathan Chait described as "a witheringly condescending" column portraying Senator Harry Reid as an "unhinged conspiracy theorist because he accused the [George W. Bush] administration of falsifying its Iraq intelligence."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brooks_(commentator)
 
In recent years, Critical Race Theory has vaulted out of the academy and into courtrooms, newsrooms, and onto the streets. And no wonder: as intersectionality theorist Kimberlé Crenshaw recently told Time magazine, "It's an approach to grappling with a history of white supremacy that rejects the belief that what's in the past is in the past, and that the laws and systems that grow from that past are detached from it." The panicked denunciations from the right notwithstanding, CRT has changed the way millions of people interpret our troubled world.
 
TOP said:
What about it? What is your definition of "CRT"? Do you support "it" being "taught" in schools, and if so, what type of "curriculum" would you like to see offered to students at every level?
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The real definition of it



Not the lies racist right wing media tells you it is


It’s not taught in K-12


That is a lie
 
TOP said:
I'm still in schools nearly every day...
I taught and coached for over 30 years....that's the real stuff....
What's your experience? A book on Amazon?
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CRT


stay on subject


Did you read it?



Or you just hate it without knowing what it is?
 
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