lose everything in anatural disastor and lose your vote

Why do you assume these people will cheat?


How do they find these people to make sure they know how to solve this problem so they can vote?

The R party has a history of vote caging and have been caught and punished before.


How many of these people have a history of trying to cheat in the voting system?

1. Why should we give them the oppurtunity?

2. It says in the article.

3. SO? Lousiana is run by DEMOCRATS. DEMOCRATS are the one with the history, BTW, in Louisiana, but to you Democrats are clean, so...

4. Why should they be allowed to vote in two places?
 
absolutely not.

There's virtually no evidence that citizen voters are registering in mulitple states, or under the names of dead people, to actually cast fraudelent votes.

When you register to vote in a new county, you are required to provide the address of where you were previously registered to vote. That's where your responsibility and accountability stops. From there, its up to the county and state to make sure you get scrubbed from the voter rolls of your previous state. Its not your responsibility to prove to the government, that the County actually did the job it is paid to do.

If the state decides it is, Cypress, it is.
 
1. Why should we give them the oppurtunity?

2. It says in the article.

3. SO? Lousiana is run by DEMOCRATS. DEMOCRATS are the one with the history, BTW, in Louisiana, but to you Democrats are clean, so...

4. Why should they be allowed to vote in two places?

My question to you is why should it be their responsibility to have to DEregister? I've never deregistered anywhere and I didn't even know such a process existed. In fact, it's not even a real word according to my spell check.

I'm not saying this is targeted at suppressing black votes, but that's the net effect of it in this instance.
 
Is voting in multiple states forbidden in the constitution ?

Voting in multiple states is forbidden by state law in all 50 states. If a state decided to let voters from other states vote for their government officials, however, I'm sure an argument could be made for disfranchisment and dilution of individual voting power.
 
If the state decides it is, Cypress, it is.

I didn't say it was illegal. Although, if it constitutes caging, it is a civil rights violation.

I said that it was baloney. I've moved a lot, and I've never gotten a threatening letter giving me 30 days to prove I was scrubbed off a voting list at my previous residence. That's the county and state's job, when I re-register. Why should I have to prove something, that is the county's job?
 
My question to you is why should it be their responsibility to have to DEregister? I've never deregistered anywhere and I didn't even know such a process existed. In fact, it's not even a real word according to my spell check.

I'm not saying this is targeted at suppressing black votes, but that's the net effect of it in this instance.

I don't know. But if Louisiana wanted to purge voters in other states from voting in Louisiana, that's Louisiana's decision. There's nothing unconstitunal about it, even if the burden is placed on the voter.
 
I don't know. But if Louisiana wanted to purge voters in other states from voting in Louisiana, that's Louisiana's decision. There's nothing unconstitunal about it, even if the burden is placed on the voter.

I agree. It's not unconstitutional or illegal. But I think we can all agree that the net effect of this law is undesirable and should probably be changed.
 
I didn't say it was illegal. Although, if it constitutes caging, it is a civil rights violation.

I said that it was baloney. I've moved a lot, and I've never gotten a threatening letter giving me 30 days to prove I was scrubbed off a voting list at my previous residence. That's the county and state's job, when I re-register. Why should I have to prove something, that is the county's job?

There are probably circumstances in this instance that make things different, and for some reason there is no other way to purge them. I wouldn't see why they would go through this for any other reason - the voters would've been purged long before now. It's been like 2 years.
 
I agree. It's not unconstitutional or illegal. But I think we can all agree that the net effect of this law is undesirable and should probably be changed.

It's not a law... it's an executive decision.

The state of Lousiana probably has a normal process for purging people from the rolls. I don't know why they could use that this time and they had to resort to this more forceful method.
 
Blah blah.

You're dodging the issue here.

You're also starting to change my mind. The executive decision was made by a Republican for an unknown reason, and the net effect is less Democratic voters in LA. Hmmm...

If you take any kind of African American studies class, you'll begin to understand that this tradition has been going on a LONG time in the South. Things like this do not happen by accident.
 
Hmmm...

Here's a different view on it, from a New Orleans paper:

http://www.neworleanscitybusiness.com/viewStory.cfm?recID=20031

Louisiana Secretary of State Jay Dardenne deleted nearly 20,000 former Louisiana residents from voter rolls Aug. 15 after finding they had registered to vote in other states.

The former residents were all dropped for the same reason — dual registration, said secretary of state spokesman Jacque Berry.

“This had absolutely nothing to do with Katrina. This is a completely different issue,” Berry said. “We found a certain number, which ended up being around 55,000 voters who we think may have been the same as voters registered to vote in another state.”

The 20,000 dropped voters were all confirmed as being registered in more than one state, while the remaining voters will be purged in future registration sweeps, Berry said.

“If the voters are not registered in another state, it’s perfectly within their rights to never step foot in this state again but continue to vote through absentee by mail,” he said. “Or they can come back for the elections and vote. As long as they maintain their residency here and not register in another state, they have every right to continue to vote in Louisiana. But once they register in that other state, that’s when it becomes an issue.”

Orleans Parish Clerk of Court Arthur Morrell questions the timing and fairness of the registration sweep.

“You still have people out that want to come back to New Orleans that can’t come back because of one of who knows how many reasons,” Morrell said. “If what they (the secretary of state’s office) are doing is following the law as far as voter registration and eligibility, then I can’t do anything about that. But people would still like to participate and have some sayso on who they want to represent New Orleans or be their elected official.”

Berry said nearly a dozen neighboring states such as Texas and Mississippi generate a lot of absentee voters for Louisiana elections and were contacted to determine if their registered voters also appeared on Louisiana lists.

Morrell said new voters who have turned 18 since evacuating to another state after Katrina should have the ability to submit absentee votes by mail, just like the children of military personnel are allowed, without having to come to New Orleans to vote the first time.

“It’s not fair,” Morrell said. “I think the timing is bad with this big election coming up.”

All new voters registered in other states since Sept. 1, 2005, were examined regardless of reason, Berry said. If a name showed up on more than one list, the person received a letter instructing them to present proof of residency in their home precinct to the appropriate registrar of voters within 30 days to avoid being deleted, Berry said.

A second letter was later sent giving the voters 21 more days to prove residency.

“We didn’t even look at the day the voters registered in another state. We just looked at everything from that date (Sept. 1) on,” he said. “There were a lot of them who, when we sent them a letter, said they thought they would have immediately been canceled in Louisiana when they registered in another state. But since there’s no national voter database, that’s not the way it happened.”

Registrars ask new voters where they last registered and contact that state to avoid dual registration. But it doesn’t always happen, Berry said.

More than 6,700 former Orleans Parish voters were also registered in another state, which Orleans Parish Registrar of Voters Sandra Wilson said probably resulted from the availability of voter registration forms when citizens apply for a driver’s license in a new state.

“There are people who registered to vote using that motor voter system, and they aren’t even aware that they are registering to vote in another place,” Wilson said. “That happens all the time. A lot of people have called us and said they haven’t registered to vote only to find out that they did through the motor voter system.”

Registrar of Voters Administrative Supervisor Darlene Landry said her office processes at least 1,000 voting applications per day looking for irregularities such as dual registration.

Louisianians who have not voted in the two most recent federal elections are placed on the inactive list, which has up to 6,000 inactive voters, Landry said.

Inactive and absentee voters differ from those registered in two states because they still have the constitutional right to vote, Berry said.

Berry said the voters will continue to be deleted from Louisiana rolls if they are registered in another state.

“This is the first wave of this process,” he said. “Our goal is ending dual enrollment to the best of our ability.”
 
OK guys.

OK - I think it does smell a little fishy! I'll agree with that!

;)


fair enough. I don't think any reasonable person can deny what's going on here: to suppress the vote of poor people and people of color, who I'm sure are disproportionately affected.

And your point about Democrats: This was a repubilcan secretary of state, according to Desh. But, I don't deny that there are corrupt, fat-cat incumbent democrats in the south, who are fully capable of enabling republicans to keep more poor people from voting. Not every elected Democrat represents poor people, nor are poor people the core constituency of every elected democrat.
 
fair enough. I don't think any reasonable person can deny what's going on here: to suppress the vote of poor people and people of color, who I'm sure are disproportionately affected.

And your point about Democrats: This was a repubilcan secretary of state, according to Desh. But, I don't deny that there are corrupt, fat-cat incumbent democrats in the south, who are fully capable of enabling republicans to keep more poor people from voting. Not every elected Democrat represents poor people, nor are poor people the core constituency of every elected democrat.

The state government of Louisiana isn't Democratic, sorry...

The governer's Democratic, but in the south most governer's are completely powerless, and the main executive decision making is made by other elected officials (like Secretary of State).
 
She couldn't have purged the roles if she had no reason. But, correct me if I'm wrong, aren't elections in Lousiana on odd years like Mississippi? And isn't she up for re-election in a few months? Her sudden decision to pursue this is, therefore, somewhat interesting.
 
This whole issue of letters being sent to make people prove their residency or what not is something that happened in either Ohio or Florida too (I can't remember). The RNC sent out a letter telling people something like "welcome, new voter" to newly registered people they wanted to target. Then if they didn't return the letter or call a number or whatever and didn't prove that they were at the address on their registration card, then they were challenged and were forced to cast provisional ballots that were never counted.

This seems like an attenuation of that, to me. I mean, the fact that someone's got the same name and birthday is not reason enough to purge them from a voting list. Seriously. I went to a Wallgreens the other day and told them my name and birthday, and they asked if I lived in Nebraska. They then told me that there is another man with my exact name living in Nebraska who also frequents the Wallgreens pharmacy system.

If I lived in LA and that guy registered to vote, I would probably be purged from a list. In fact, I haven't updated my registration card yet and I moved a few weeks ago, so I'd never get the letter telling me to prove my residency.

I would not be able to vote.

This is bullshit.
 
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