lose everything in anatural disastor and lose your vote

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I'm just sick of having to apply for a new license every time I move to a new state. It's annoying and expensive and you have to dig up all the paperwork, which can also be expensive if you can't find it.

Oh, OK.

Drivers licenses are de facto national ID anyway. But that's what you get with federalism...

 

[ib1yysguy]

Mmmm. Federalism. Yum.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Mmmm. Federalism. Yum.

Every state has their own different driving laws. If you gave the federal government authority over driving laws then you'd obviously be breaking a lot of constituational grounds.

Do you want to amend the constitution to take any semblance of federalism out of it, then?

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I don't really care for states rights myself. But it's good to know that you have different options depending on how you live, and how you can easily pick up and move if a state offends you enough.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I thought you guys were talking about a single national identity card just for that purpose. I didn't know you were wanting to attach driving privlidges to whether or not you had the card.

How would you even revoke driving privlideges under such a plan?

 

[uscitizen]

I thought you guys were talking about a single national identity card just for that purpose. I didn't know you were wanting to attach driving privlidges to whether or not you had the card.

How would you even revoke driving privlideges under such a plan?

driving privs would be suspended in a national database that would come up whenever a cop "ran" your ID. Also any outstanding warrants, etc would come up regardless of state issued in.
Fingerprints could be encoded on the card for absolute positive id as well to prevent false identification. Ie if the cops arrest the wrong watermark.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

driving privs would be suspended in a national database that would come up whenever a cop "ran" your ID. Also any outstanding warrants, etc would come up regardless of state issued in.
Fingerprints could be encoded on the card for absolute positive id as well to prevent false identification. Ie if the cops arrest the wrong watermark.

You can't collect fingerprints/DNA unless someone has committed a crime, US.

 

[Damocles]

I agree. It's not unconstitutional or illegal. But I think we can all agree that the net effect of this law is undesirable and should probably be changed.

The democratic legislature and governor provided the law in the first place. The idea that the R Sec of State suddenly provided new rules is ridiculous. Go where the law was created and work from there, the application of the law should not be the fault of the person who was put in the position to apply it as it was written.

 

[Damocles]

You can't collect fingerprints/DNA unless someone has committed a crime, US.

Wrong. If you get a driver's license or state identification in Colorado you will provide your thumb print. It is also one of the requirements in the Real ID act that begins in May of 2008 unless we change it.

 

[Cypress]

driving privs would be suspended in a national database that would come up whenever a cop "ran" your ID. Also any outstanding warrants, etc would come up regardless of state issued in.
Fingerprints could be encoded on the card for absolute positive id as well to prevent false identification. Ie if the cops arrest the wrong watermark.

This isn't the Soviet Union, USC

I don't want Government beaureacrats having my fingerprints, let alone encode it on an ID, unless I'm on probation, or there's an overwhelming legitimate public welfare reason for them to have it.

 

[Damocles]

The state government of Louisiana isn't Democratic, sorry...

The governer's Democratic, but in the south most governer's are completely powerless, and the main executive decision making is made by other elected officials (like Secretary of State).

What is their legislature like and who created the law?

 

[Damocles]

This whole issue of letters being sent to make people prove their residency or what not is something that happened in either Ohio or Florida too (I can't remember). The RNC sent out a letter telling people something like "welcome, new voter" to newly registered people they wanted to target. Then if they didn't return the letter or call a number or whatever and didn't prove that they were at the address on their registration card, then they were challenged and were forced to cast provisional ballots that were never counted.

This seems like an attenuation of that, to me. I mean, the fact that someone's got the same name and birthday is not reason enough to purge them from a voting list. Seriously. I went to a Wallgreens the other day and told them my name and birthday, and they asked if I lived in Nebraska. They then told me that there is another man with my exact name living in Nebraska who also frequents the Wallgreens pharmacy system.

If I lived in LA and that guy registered to vote, I would probably be purged from a list. In fact, I haven't updated my registration card yet and I moved a few weeks ago, so I'd never get the letter telling me to prove my residency.

I would not be able to vote.

This is bullshit.

Wow, we almost always count provisional ballots. In the last two elections that I judged we wound up only tossing two provisional ballots when we found that they had voted previously by mail, even matching signatures. The others we used to register the voter and counted them.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

What is their legislature like and who created the law?

It's not a "law", it's an executive action. The authority was given to the secretary of state to do stuff like this. If the secretary of state needed a new law pass for every voter roll purged the legislature would be bogged down beyond belief.

Their legislature is just like any other legislature. I presume it's dixiecrat controlled, but I'd have to look that up to say for certain.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Wrong. If you get a driver's license or state identification in Colorado you will provide your thumb print. It is also one of the requirements in the Real ID act that begins in May of 2008 unless we change it.

Oh. I guess fignerprints are different.

Can a state legally ask for your DNA information to be printed on it?

 

[Damocles]

It's not a "law", it's an executive action. The authority was given to the secretary of state to do stuff like this. If the secretary of state needed a new law pass for every voter roll purged the legislature would be bogged down beyond belief.

Their legislature is just like any other legislature. I presume it's dixiecrat controlled, but I'd have to look that up to say for certain.

He cannot arbitrarily make executive decisions without first there being a law giving him the authority and limitations.

You are being deliberately vague in this one, in order to protect your own. The legislature can write laws that limit his authority.

 

[Damocles]

Oh. I guess fignerprints are different.

Can a state legally ask for your DNA information to be printed on it?

That one I doubt. They may be able to though. What restriction is there on your DNA? What has the SCOTUS said about it?

 

[Cypress]

It's not a "law", it's an executive action. The authority was given to the secretary of state to do stuff like this. If the secretary of state needed a new law pass for every voter roll purged the legislature would be bogged down beyond belief.

Their legislature is just like any other legislature. I presume it's dixiecrat controlled, but I'd have to look that up to say for certain.

That would be my guess too. Secretaries of State are Executive Officers, with broad authority to enforce existing law. And I'm sure there's a plethora of state laws in Lousiana against vote fraud. Often, it up to the executive on the tools and mechanics, of enforcing the law.

Certainly, Kenneth Blackwell in Ohio was doing all kinds of shit in 2004 to disenfranchise voters, under his executive authority.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

He cannot arbitrarily make executive decisions without first there being a law giving him the authority and limitations.

You are being deliberately vague in this one, in order to protect your own. The legislature can write laws that limit his authority.

Damo, I'm sure there's a law that gives the secretary of state the power to purge voter rolls of double-registered voters. Otherwise it would be impossible for them to ever have done it in the past. You obviously have no understanding of how government works.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Or do you think that the legislature should pass a law stating:

"Kenneth Blackwell should be purged from the rolls
Lisa Edmond should be purged from the rolls
Donald Duck should be purged from the rolls
Marissa Blackmond should be purged from the rolls... etc... etc"

Is that how you think government works?

Damo, the state legislature passes a law that states that people registered in other states can't be registered in Louisiana. This gets passed on to the secretary of state, who interprets and executes the law in the best way they see fit.

 

[Damocles]

Damo, I'm sure there's a law that gives the secretary of state the power to purge voter rolls of double-registered voters. Otherwise it would be impossible for them to ever have done it in the past. You obviously have no understanding of how government works.

You obviously don't as well. That same law would also have limitations on how those roles could be purged. I, personally, have worked on elections with the county clerk specifically, on all steps of the election. What have you done to garner how voter roles are purged and the laws that bind them?

Just saying, "You don't know how it works," is simply a statement with no backup, then you post more emotive rubbish without regard to my points or questions. This is one of the weakest posts I have ever seen from you, even with those that name a random fallacy from the list that do not even apply to the post at hand. Those are weak, but this is inane. It's a very slightly more adult equivalent of "You are a poo-poo head!"