MAGA logic

PostmodernProphet said:
semantics.......the reality is different things occur.......no evidence of this "seditious conspiracy" has ever been presented....a plea bargain was entered into....demmycunts get to use their magic words in the press.......the defendant got some form of special treatment in exchange..........
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You realize that the evidence has to be presented to the Grand Jury, right?
 
AProudLefty said:
You realize that the evidence has to be presented to the Grand Jury, right?
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Never expect an irrational hater to ever agree to rational ideas. Pmp, like the other Alt-Right JPP geezers, just wants to see the world burn around them before they die.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
Donald Trump has given his ass-kissers a little taste of blood!

Now, they are addicted to it!

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Agreed. Not just the downside of populists, but the typical outcome of populists.

April 17, 2018
https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-populist-challenge-to-liberal-democracy/
...Today, the global scene is very different. Liberal democracy faces multiple external challenges—from ethnonational autocracies, from regimes claiming to be based on God’s word rather than the will of the people, from the success of strong-handed meritocracy in places such as Singapore, and, not least, from the astonishing economic accomplishments of China’s market-Leninist system.

But there is also an internal challenge to liberal democracy—a challenge from populists who seek to drive a wedge between democracy and liberalism. Liberal norms and policies, they claim, weaken democracy and harm the people. Thus, liberal institutions that prevent the people from acting democratically in their own interest should be set aside. It is this challenge on which I wish to focus....
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COVID death rates have gone down, but gone up in Trumplandia.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politic...eography-of-covid-19-over-the-last-two-years/
In many cases, the characteristics of communities that were associated with higher death rates at the beginning of the pandemic are now associated with lower death rates (and vice versa). Early in the pandemic, urban areas were disproportionately impacted. During the first wave, the coronavirus death rate in the 10% of the country that lives in the most densely populated counties was more than nine times that of the death rate among the 10% of the population living in the least densely populated counties. In each subsequent wave, however, the nation’s least dense counties have registered higher death rates than the most densely populated places.

Despite the staggering death toll in densely populated urban areas during the first months of the pandemic (an average 36 monthly deaths per 100,000 residents), the overall death rate over the course of the pandemic is slightly higher in the least populated parts of the country (an average monthly 15 deaths per 100,000 among the 10% living in the least densely populated counties vs. 13 per 100,000 among the 10% in the most densely populated counties).
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PostmodernProphet said:
never in court......
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You don't have to present evidence in court when the person pleads guilty. They usually do that when the evidence is so strong against them they don't want to risk a tougher sentence imposed by the jury or judge. His lawyer would not have recommended a plea unless he saw the government's evidence and knew it was strong.

If the defendant plead guilty when there was not strong evidence against him he was an idiot; but, we already knew that when he attacked the Capitol and believed the voter fraud lies.
 
Flash said:
You don't have to present evidence in court when the person pleads guilty. They usually do that when the evidence is so strong against them they don't want to risk a tougher sentence imposed by the jury or judge.
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more often they do it when there is plea bargain they find attractive......
 
Flash said:
NO! Don't ask. They've got millions of those links--each one crazier than the last.
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They really don't. I've asked several of the MAGA's here.. all the do is say stuff like "no way could so many people of have voted for a senile fool". And "the rioters were all Antifa".

None of them have provided any evidence. They're all talk, don't worry.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
do you even know what we are talking about?.......
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Yes, you're Trumpian fuckwit and a bitter old geezer.
PostmodernProphet said:
Flash said:
Agreed--semantics. A conviction is a conviction. A lot of evidence of the seditious conspiracy has been presented. All kinds of messages before January 6 planning the insurrection, communications during the riot, supplies of weapons and ammo. What do you think those people were planning to do when they broke into the Capitol and attacked police? As they chanted, "Stop the Steal" and "Stop the Count." You think they just wanted to vandalize the Capitol and attack law enforcement for fun?
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never in court......
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/10/18/oath-keepers-jan6-trial-jan6-treason/
Key Oath Keepers witness testifies Jan. 6 plans potentially ‘treasonous’
Jason Dolan testifies in Stewart Rhodes’s seditious conspiracy trial that members were prepared to stop Congress from confirming 2020 election ‘by any means necessary’ and brought firearms for that reason.
A key government witness in the seditious conspiracy trial of Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes and four other members said defendants on Jan. 6, 2021, were prepared to stop Congress from confirming the 2020 election result “by any means necessary” — including armed combat — and understood their plans to be potentially “treasonous.”

The testimony Tuesday by Jason Dolan was the first in the trial from several cooperating Oath Keepers witnesses who have pleaded guilty in the Capitol attack investigation. The Florida man and others are expected to be critical to the prosecution because they have admitted under oath to what Rhodes and co-defendants are charged with: plotting to obstruct and disrupt Congress by, as Dolan put it in plea papers, “intimidating and coercing governmental personnel.”

Prosecutors must show that even though Rhodes did not enter the building that day, he and co-defendants conspired to oppose by force the lawful transition of presidential power, culminating in the Capitol attack, making Dolan a direct witness.

Dolan, a 19-year former Marine and infantry unit leader, recalled to jurors how he sent an encrypted message to other Oath Keepers members in Florida on Dec. 6, 2020, agonizing over whether after serving five overseas deployments he should ask his family to let him go into combat again. But this time it would be against fellow Americans, “with no pay, no coming back, no awards, no homecoming and if I’m lucky I get a prison sentence, tagged with treason, or a bullet from the very people I would protect.”


On the stand, Dolan said he understood it “would be treasonous fighting against what I saw as an illegitimate form of government,” but that Oath Keepers had discussed and Rhodes had declared that even if President Donald Trump took no action, they would. That meant, Dolan said, “We will act to stop the certification of the election … by any means necessary. That’s why we brought our firearms.”
 
PostmodernProphet said:
more often they do it when there is plea bargain they find attractive......
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Agreed, a plea bargain is more attractive when the evidence against them is strong. Their lawyer tells them it is a good deal because of the case against them (like DNA and surveillance cameras). Then, he tells them to take a few minutes to decide whether to plead guilty for 20 years or go to trial.
 
LurchAddams said:
They really don't. I've asked several of the MAGA's here.. all the do is say stuff like "no way could so many people of have voted for a senile fool". And "the rioters were all Antifa".

None of them have provided any evidence. They're all talk, don't worry.
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To them that is evidence and there is no way to refute those claims. They have been telling me I can't refute their claim that nobody died from COVID--and it is impossible to do so (death certificates were faked). If your evidence is eye witness testimony by 100 law enforcement officers they will counter by telling you those officers are deep state liberals who have been threated with death if they tell the truth.
 
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