Morality is all in your mind.

Cypress said:
I believe there are objective moral absolutes, and kidnapping humans and enslaving them is objectively evil, independent of culture, social norms, opinion, legislation, law, precedent, excuses, popular consensus.
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So WHY is kidnapping humans and enslaving them objectively evil?

Can you think of any reasons?
 
Cypress said:
I don't need slave owners to explain anything to me.

Unlike you, I believe there are objective moral absolutes, and kidnapping humans and enslaving them is objectively evil, independent of culture, social norms, opinion, legislation, law, precedent, excuses, popular consensus.
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That's what governments do, only they're above the law. I'm pretty sure I can prove we have less morals today than we did 30 years ago.
 
goat said:
That's what governments do, only they're above the law. I'm pretty sure I can prove we have less morals today than we did 30 years ago.
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A moral conscience exists in the healthy adult mind, whether we act on or not.

If the Nazis had won World War 2, and persuaded almost everyone through propaganda and coercion that killing Jews was in the interest of national security, it would still be objectively evil and wrong.
 
Daylight63 said:
So WHY is kidnapping humans and enslaving them objectively evil?

Can you think of any reasons?
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In the healthy adult mind, the conscience either tells you its wrong, or the conscience can appealed to and persuaded it's wrong, even when one chooses not to act on that conscience.

Everything in my life experience tells me that the healthy human mind instinctively knows cheating, stealing, murdering is wrong. Even in cases where they select to ignore what their conscience tells them. Stalin went to great lengths to hide the scale, purpose, and nature of the Gulag form his own citizens, and the outside world.
 
Cypress said:
In the healthy adult mind, the conscience either tells you its wrong, or the conscience can appealed to and persuaded it's wrong, even when one chooses not to act on that conscience.
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So you can't think of one reason why it's bad. That's unsettling.

Cypress said:
Everything in my life experience tells me that the healthy human mind instinctively knows cheating, stealing, murdering is wrong. Even in cases where they select to ignore what their conscience tells them. Stalin went to great lengths to hide the scale, purpose, and nature of the Gulag form his own citizens, and the outside world.
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Wow. You can't even think of one reason why these things are wrong?

Not even hypothetically? You really can't?

That's.....truly strange because you generally seem like you are at least passably smart.
 
Daylight63 said:
So you can't think of one reason why it's bad. That's unsettling.
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The reason is we are made with a moral conscience.

If you want to claim you don't have an inner moral conscience telling you that cheating, stealing, and murder is inherently wrong, that's your choice.
 
Cypress said:
The reason is we are made with a moral conscience.
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That's a nearly meaningless claim.

Cypress said:
If you want to claim you don't have an inner moral conscience telling you that cheating, stealing, and murder is inherently wrong, that's your choice.
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No, I claim I actually can tell you WHY those things are bad. That's the difference between my morality and yours. I know why the bad things are bad. For you it is merely a matter of "decree".

For you bad things are bad because no one knows why. For me bad things are bad for a reason.

I simply don't find your version of morality by decree as satisfying. You are not alone, though. Many believers hold that view as well.
 
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