Question for dipshit 3rd Party voters

Yeah, and there lies the problem...I don't know how to tell you that you should care about other people. I don't know how else to tell you that your actions have consequences. I don't know how else to tell you to give it more thought...or some thought. Like what are the improbable things that could happen because of this vs. the impossible? I can't stand thoughtlessness masquerading as whatever the fuck this is.

Some people are afflicted with the very common illusion that life is what one makes it.

A more thoughtful observation, LV, is that life just happens to us.

High expectations are what eventually fuel the necessity for mood enhancing drugs.
Pharma makes a fortune on those these days.

When we die, we'll finally experience the perfect peace that comes with total non-existence.

Collectively, it will remain a cluster fuck forever,
but individually, peace comes to all of us at the end.
 
Well lets try a third party President, maybe Congress would respond.

Maybe but Democrats don't hate trump because he ran as a Republican. He is in essence a third party candidate. He didn't run as a dem and lots of repubs voted for him only because he wasnt the usual milk toast republican candidate that we've seen as of late. I didnt vote for him in the primaries and never will but I'll have no choice if he is nominated. He is a third party candidate as far as i can tell.
 
I am the one who cited all my claims.

This is a lie.

You didn't source ANYTHING on this thread.

You didn't even know that the GOP was the majority party in Congress by the time Lincoln ran for POTUS.

You didn't know any of that because you were homeschooled by an idiot.
 
Some people are afflicted with the very common illusion that life is what one makes it.

A more thoughtful observation, LV, is that life just happens to us.

High expectations are what eventually fuel the necessity for mood enhancing drugs.
Pharma makes a fortune on those these days.

When we die, we'll finally experience the perfect peace that comes with total non-existence.

Collectively, it will remain a cluster fuck forever,
but individually, peace comes to all of us at the end.

That peace is death, FYI.
 
Maybe but Democrats don't hate trump because he ran as a Republican. He is in essence a third party candidate. He didn't run as a dem and lots of repubs voted for him only because he wasnt the usual milk toast republican candidate that we've seen as of late. I didnt vote for him in the primaries and never will but I'll have no choice if he is nominated. He is a third party candidate as far as i can tell.

Trump is NOT a 3P candidate and never was. He ran in the GOP primaries because he knew his brand of fascism appealed to you and all the other pervert Conservatives. He gave you permission to be Republicans. Take some ownership of that, you freak.

Also, you made a bet that you would give up your eye teeth if they found anything criminal on Trump in the stolen docs case.

So you owe us your eye teeth.

I'd bet my eye teeth they find exactly NOTHING criminal.
 
What does "becoming a Republic" mean? None of you seem to know.

Just read the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Scream out “YAHTZEE” when you stumble upon the word “democracy”. We (as individuals) vote for our REPRESENTATIVES in the government. Democracy is just a tool used to select people. Fucking Russia is a democracy. Putin won with 77% of the “vote” in 2018. Hell, Iraq is a fucking democracy. Saddam Hussein routinely won his “elections” with 99% of the “vote”, for over 20 years! I could go on about all the failed communazi shitholes that call themselves democracies, both foreign and domestic, but you get the gist of it, right? The concept of “democracy” just doesn’t impress me.

In a sense, we are ALL “democrats”. On election day, both of us walk into the voting booth (or increasingly to the mailbox), to cast our vote for our representatives (hell, you probably do it 5 or 6 times). It’s just a chore we do to keep the REPUBLIC we live in functioning, and the way you leftists twist and pervert the democratic process is rendering it more meaningless by the day.
 
Just read the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Scream out “YAHTZEE” when you stumble upon the word “democracy”. We (as individuals) vote for our REPRESENTATIVES in the government. Democracy is just a tool used to select people. Fucking Russia is a democracy. Putin won with 77% of the “vote” in 2018. Hell, Iraq is a fucking democracy. Saddam Hussein routinely won his “elections” with 99% of the “vote”, for over 20 years! I could go on about all the failed communazi shitholes that call themselves democracies, both foreign and domestic, but you get the gist of it, right? The concept of “democracy” just doesn’t impress me.

In a sense, we are ALL “democrats”. On election day, both of us walk into the voting booth (or increasingly to the mailbox), to cast our vote for our representatives (hell, you probably do it 5 or 6 times). It’s just a chore we do to keep the REPUBLIC we live in functioning, and the way you leftists twist and pervert the democratic process is rendering it more meaningless by the day.

So you didn't actually answer my question.
 
So you didn't actually answer my question.

I answered it in the first sentence of my reply. What do you think the delegates of the Philadelphia convention were doing in 1787? Here is an excerpt from https://fee.org/articles/america-s-republic-how-the-great-experiment-came-about-and-how-we-keep-it/


Forging a New Order
Then came the Philadelphia Convention of 1787. No greater assembly of genius, wisdom, accomplishment, and experience has ever been held for the purpose of creating a government and securing for its people the blessings of liberty.

The sagacity of George Washington, who presided over the Convention, was never more apparent than when he said, “If, to please the people, we offer what we ourselves disapprove, how can we later defend our work? Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair; the rest is in the hands of God.”

Here, in a nutshell, is what the delegates to the Convention did—and they did it not just for themselves and their generation, but for all generations of Americans:

They reaffirmed that America would be a republic, not a majoritarian democracy. They understood that there are many things that simply should not be subject to popular vote, like basic human rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
They fashioned a government of limited functions and powers. Their intent was to bind it down with the chains of a Constitution. They inserted dozens of “thou shalt nots,” as I call them, all aimed squarely at government.
They crafted an ingenious “separation of powers” that takes two major forms:

A system of federalism in which many powers are dispersed to the states;
Three distinct branches of a new federal government, each with its own prescribed powers and limitations (executive, legislative, judicial)
They created a network of checks and balances throughout the new government. Accordingly, the authority and powers of the three branches are balanced and checked by one another. For example, the President can veto laws passed by Congress. Congress, on the other hand, can withhold funds from executive agencies. Although Congress can pass legislation, the Supreme Court has the power to declare certain laws unconstitutional, making them null and void. The President appoints federal judges and various civil servants, but the Senate can refuse to ratify major appointments such as those to the Supreme Court. The federal judiciary can find individuals guilty of crimes, but the President has the power to grant pardons and reprieves.
They added a Bill of Rights, guaranteeing basic freedoms including speech, press, assembly, and the right to bear arms. To make sure everyone knew that the individual has other rights besides those listed (or “enumerated”) in the Constitution, they added a Ninth Amendment, which states that “The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.” To maintain the sovereign integrity of the states, they included numerous provisions throughout the Constitution, including the important Tenth Amendment, which states, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”


Have We Lost Our Way?
In the more than two centuries since the Constitution was written, the federal government in America has grown far beyond what our Founders ever intended. That raises an important question: For the purpose of keeping government limited, has the Constitution failed us, or have we failed the Constitution? That’s a discussion I think we definitely ought to have, and the deeper the better. I don’t believe even the Founders themselves would argue that assumptions should never be questioned. I for one would love to be able to turn the clock back to 1787 for a moment and add some additional strictures on government the Founders didn’t incorporate or envision.

Nonetheless, in the pantheon of documents of governance, the Constitution surely must rank as one of the greatest gifts ever bestowed by one generation upon the next and future generations. With liberty as their watchword, these brave and wise men, who had been through the crucible of war and who had put their lives, fortunes and sacred honor on the line, produced a document unlike any other ever crafted before or since. But the words of Benjamin Franklin as he was leaving the Convention should remind us that it isn’t enough to sustain liberty to simply declare it in writing. A woman supposedly asked, “Mr. Franklin, what form of government have you given us.” His reply: “A republic, madam, if you can keep it.”


Can we keep it? True, it’s lasted more than two centuries already, but not without injury and frequent assault. Whether it survives and is strengthened for two more centuries, or becomes weakened, neglected, and overruled all depends, as Franklin implied, upon us. Liberty is never guaranteed or automatic. It won’t be there for the next generation just because it was there for the last. It will be there if—and only if—the people themselves live it, breathe it, teach it, and defend it at all costs.


Read the constitution. It establishes and defines the American republic. I warn you, it was crafted by a pretty cerebral bunch. Got a lot of big words and ideas that are foreign to you, like "limited government", and "freedom" and "liberty". One thing it hasn't got though, is any mention of "democracy".
 
I answered it in the first sentence of my reply. What do you think the delegates of the Philadelphia convention were doing in 1787? Here is an excerpt from https://fee.org/articles/america-s-republic-how-the-great-experiment-came-about-and-how-we-keep-it/


Forging a New Order
Then came the Philadelphia Convention of 1787. No greater assembly of genius, wisdom, accomplishment, and experience has ever been held for the purpose of creating a government and securing for its people the blessings of liberty.

The sagacity of George Washington, who presided over the Convention, was never more apparent than when he said, “If, to please the people, we offer what we ourselves disapprove, how can we later defend our work? Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair; the rest is in the hands of God.”

Here, in a nutshell, is what the delegates to the Convention did—and they did it not just for themselves and their generation, but for all generations of Americans:

They reaffirmed that America would be a republic, not a majoritarian democracy. They understood that there are many things that simply should not be subject to popular vote, like basic human rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
They fashioned a government of limited functions and powers. Their intent was to bind it down with the chains of a Constitution. They inserted dozens of “thou shalt nots,” as I call them, all aimed squarely at government.
They crafted an ingenious “separation of powers” that takes two major forms:

A system of federalism in which many powers are dispersed to the states;
Three distinct branches of a new federal government, each with its own prescribed powers and limitations (executive, legislative, judicial)
They created a network of checks and balances throughout the new government. Accordingly, the authority and powers of the three branches are balanced and checked by one another. For example, the President can veto laws passed by Congress. Congress, on the other hand, can withhold funds from executive agencies. Although Congress can pass legislation, the Supreme Court has the power to declare certain laws unconstitutional, making them null and void. The President appoints federal judges and various civil servants, but the Senate can refuse to ratify major appointments such as those to the Supreme Court. The federal judiciary can find individuals guilty of crimes, but the President has the power to grant pardons and reprieves.
They added a Bill of Rights, guaranteeing basic freedoms including speech, press, assembly, and the right to bear arms. To make sure everyone knew that the individual has other rights besides those listed (or “enumerated”) in the Constitution, they added a Ninth Amendment, which states that “The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.” To maintain the sovereign integrity of the states, they included numerous provisions throughout the Constitution, including the important Tenth Amendment, which states, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”


Have We Lost Our Way?
In the more than two centuries since the Constitution was written, the federal government in America has grown far beyond what our Founders ever intended. That raises an important question: For the purpose of keeping government limited, has the Constitution failed us, or have we failed the Constitution? That’s a discussion I think we definitely ought to have, and the deeper the better. I don’t believe even the Founders themselves would argue that assumptions should never be questioned. I for one would love to be able to turn the clock back to 1787 for a moment and add some additional strictures on government the Founders didn’t incorporate or envision.

Nonetheless, in the pantheon of documents of governance, the Constitution surely must rank as one of the greatest gifts ever bestowed by one generation upon the next and future generations. With liberty as their watchword, these brave and wise men, who had been through the crucible of war and who had put their lives, fortunes and sacred honor on the line, produced a document unlike any other ever crafted before or since. But the words of Benjamin Franklin as he was leaving the Convention should remind us that it isn’t enough to sustain liberty to simply declare it in writing. A woman supposedly asked, “Mr. Franklin, what form of government have you given us.” His reply: “A republic, madam, if you can keep it.”


Can we keep it? True, it’s lasted more than two centuries already, but not without injury and frequent assault. Whether it survives and is strengthened for two more centuries, or becomes weakened, neglected, and overruled all depends, as Franklin implied, upon us. Liberty is never guaranteed or automatic. It won’t be there for the next generation just because it was there for the last. It will be there if—and only if—the people themselves live it, breathe it, teach it, and defend it at all costs.


Read the constitution. It establishes and defines the American republic. I warn you, it was crafted by a pretty cerebral bunch. Got a lot of big words and ideas that are foreign to you, like "limited government", and "freedom" and "liberty". One thing it hasn't got though, is any mention of "democracy".

What's clear and obvious to me is that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

Screaming that we are a Republic in response to the democratic process is like screaming that you have a chihuahua, not a dog.

You're not telling me anything I don't already know. You're just restating what other people have said and are trying to pass it off as your own original thought.

So when you scream "wE aRE A REpuBlic!11!!!" in response to the consequences of voting 3P pushing us straight into fascism, all you're doing is trying to derail the case against you.

You have not answered the central question of this thread which is how does a 3P POTUS realistically advance their agenda through a Congress where their party controls zero seats?

The answer is that they can't. The only way they can is by going fascist and using executive authority, which is something someone who screams about us being a Republic should fucking care about.

But you don't.

Because you're a fucking fraud.
 
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From what I have gleaned from little things she has posted in the last few years LV is basically a low level political "organizer" in Georgia. It is very likely she has seen some internal numbers regarding her state and by the way she is acting those numbers must look quite poor for old Joey B. Most likely because the type of street level people she deals with stupidly thought they had won the entitlement lottery but once again ended up with jack shit,....like they always do. :laugh: Once Joe and Warnock got their votes they were gone like a fart in the wind, just like the stimulus money they didnt get when she was throwing a hissy fit in here a couple years ago about demanding her handout. . Her fear seeps through with every post. This is her VENTING thread......;)
 
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Maybe but Democrats don't hate trump because he ran as a Republican. He is in essence a third party candidate. He didn't run as a dem and lots of repubs voted for him only because he wasnt the usual milk toast republican candidate that we've seen as of late. I didnt vote for him in the primaries and never will but I'll have no choice if he is nominated. He is a third party candidate as far as i can tell.

Trump is a Republican. The GOP is his party. It is in his image and has been since before he was President. You're also telling on yourself for being a fascist because if Trump won as a 3P he would absolutely be a fascist dictator.
 
From what I have gleaned from little things she has posted in the last few years LV is basically a low level political "organizer" in Georgia. It is very likely she has seen some internal numbers regarding her state and by the way she is acting those numbers must look quite poor for old Joey B. Most likely because the type of street level people she deals with stupidly thought they had won the entitlement lottery but once again ended up with jack shit,....like they always do. :laugh: Once Joe and Warnock got their votes they were gone like a fart in the wind, just like the stimulus money they didnt get when she was throwing a hissy fit about demanding her handout. . Her fear seeps through with every post. This is her VENTING thread......;)

Proving, once again, Fat Boy, you don't have a fucking clue.

How's that Red Storm coming along? :rofl2:

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There isn't much logic to it, I'll admit..

What I tell myself is that the 2-party system isn't working anymore. I don't expect the candidate I vote for to win - but maybe if enough people start voting 3rd party, we'll actually have a viable one someday.

I just can't vote for one of the 2 major parties anymore, barring the emergence of a transcendent, transformational leader who takes up one of the main party's banners. They haven't earned my vote in any way. They're both awful (Republicans are worse, for sure - but both are awful).

Some people are obviously ignorant of parliamentary systems in which three or more parties in office. I guess they don't have "democracies." In most states third parties must get a certain percentage of votes to qualify candidates for the ballot, so voting third party gives voters more choices than restricting them to two parties. Some U. S. third parties disappeared because the other parties adopted some of their platform to attract their voters. Simple math tells us a third party vote is not "wasted" because unless your single vote would have changed the election results it makes no difference to the overall outcome.

Some want to limit your vote to Democrats or Republicans. Democrats tried to keep the Green Party off the ballot (in Texas?) and Republicans tried to keep Libertarians off the ballot. Both unsuccessfully.
 
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From what I have gleaned from little things she has posted in the last few years LV is basically a low level political "organizer" in Georgia. It is very likely she has seen some internal numbers regarding her state and by the way she is acting those numbers must look quite poor for old Joey B. Most likely because the type of street level people she deals with stupidly thought they had won the entitlement lottery but once again ended up with jack shit,....like they always do. :laugh: Once Joe and Warnock got their votes they were gone like a fart in the wind, just like the stimulus money they didnt get when she was throwing a hissy fit in here a couple years ago about demanding her handout. . Her fear seeps through with every post. This is her VENTING thread......;)

You challenged me to a physical confrontation and then you backed out of it at the last minute.

Fucking pussy.
 
Some people are obviously ignorant of parliamentary systems in which three or more parties in office. I guess they don't have "democracies." In most states third parties must get a certain percentage of votes to qualify candidates for the ballot, so voting third party gives voters more choices than restricting them to two parties. Some U. S. third parties disappeared because the other parties adopted some of their platform to attract their voters. Simple math tells us a third party vote is not "wasted" because unless your single vote would have changed the election results it makes no difference to the overall outcome.

Qualifying candidates for the ballot is not what happens when you vote 3P for POTUS.

What happens when you vote 3P for POTUS is that you send the message that you are comfortable with an executive circumventing the Constitution to rule by executive authority because that is the only way a 3P POTUS could govern.

So you're not "improving ballot qualifications", you're endorsing fascism whether you realize it or not.

Instead of casting your vote for fascism, you should be casting your vote for 3P's downballot and I bet you don't.

I bet you vote partisan right down the ballot after POTUS. You mean to tell us you don't vote in any political race where there is no 3P? Really? Is that true, or is it a Flash embellishment?
 
You challenged me to a physical confrontation and then you backed out of it at the last minute.

Fucking pussy.

No. Go over old posts. Wasnt me. I do not think you are lying though. I just think you have me confused with another poster. Easy to do in here. Done it myself a time or two.
 
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