Question for people who want both universal healthcare and open borders

If they can catch the employers, they should jail them too.

Could catch as many as you want, & easy... Just stake out any home depot about any time of the day, but 6AM they are lining up like hookers & Johns on those dark streets of every American city..

Nice fat fine to the store for enabling it would help as well........... They know exactly what is happening on their property.......:|
 
Well, Bill, I am Australian and I grew up very close to a longish strip of our East Coast that is very similar in terms of its "sun, surf, sea ,sand" culture, to Southern California. When we were kids we would go surf-board riding at the Gold Coast every weekend. The coastal town of Noosa is nearby and today its beaches and neighbouring National Heritage Parks, swanky bars and restaurants attract lots of celebrities from around the world, in particular, Hollywood stars. Returning to what I was saying; as young men, we loved the "Beach Boys" (the 1960's pop band) their music struck a chord with us and I figured that Southern California's youth culture must have been very similar to our own. Also, as an adult, I became a Conservative (after reading the essays of Edmund Burke, the 18th century father of the modern, British Tory Party) and was an admirer of Ronald Reagan who I think was one of America's greatest Presidents and Cold War warriors. Before he was President he was,- as I'm sure you know -, elected Governor of California in 1967 (if memory serves) and ran the state well until 1975. So, for these - and a number of other reasons - I have a special interest in California , especially its politics. I regularly try to find all of the best quality, non-fake news about the state that I can access on the internet, and I have to tell you that what I have read over the past few years has not been good at all, Bill.



But firstly, you are right that there are some great things about California. It has America's most amenable climate and some outstandingly beautiful and diverse physical geography. Also it has major, natural ports facing the vibrant Asian economies, and is naturally rich in timber, agriculture, mining and energy. As well as this, it was fortunate to inherit an effective local and state government from the 20th century.



Unfortunately, in the 21st century, California's fate has been placed in the hands of hyper-progressive Democrat Governors, most notably: Gerry "Moonbeam" Brown:chicken: and his successor, current Governor, Gavin Newsome:palm: (who I am 100% sure has two Left testicles).


Here is some of the fall-out, Bill...


* Almost one quarter of the population of California (the largest state in the US) live below the poverty line.
Another fifth is categorized as near the poverty level.


* One third of America's welfare recipients now live in California.


* California has the highest homeless population in the nation (135,000).


* About 22% of America's total homeless population reside in California - whose economy is the largest in
the US, funding the greatest number of billionaires and high-income ZIP codes.


* California's middle - class is shrinking rapidly because of massive regulation, high taxation (income, sales,
gasoline), green zoning and associated high housing prices.


* Millions have left California and this out-migration from the state is predominantly a middle - class and
upper - class phenomenon. The have been largely replaced by indigent and often illegal immigrant from
south of the border.


* Incredible as it may sound, LA police stations and, indeed, LA City Ha,l have been endangered by periodic
flea - bourne infectious typhus outbreaks. A problem generally associated with cities in medieval times. Yet
typhus and outbreaks of infections with Hepatitis A are in the news on the streets of California today.


* The sidewalks of the state's major cities are peppered with copious piles of human poop, puddles of urine, used heroin syringes and rotting refuge. Democrat Governor, Gary Newsome, is OK with people shitting in public wherever they like, and there is now now law against it. This is because in Newsome's leftist Democrat logic, public pooping "BUTTS" UP:) against progressive toleration, so it is exempted from the law. Therefore, Bill, if you're ever in your local Walmart store in California and you feel the sudden urge to "strangle a darkie" don't be shy about dropping your trousers in one of the shopping aisles and "squeezing one out"; one of the "Fresh Produce" aisles would probably be most appropriate. Actually, this gives me an idea for how Republicans could oust Nancy Pelosi. Trump could send a Tweet to all Republicans voters directing them to converge on Nancy's residence in San Francisco and poop in her garden to protest her involvement in the impeachment farce. With hundreds (maybe 1000s ?!) of Republicans pooping all over her garden every day, she'd quickly break under the pressure, raise the "White Flag":igive:, and resign from politics ! Anyway, with regard to all this poop (over 28,000 were officially located and removed in SF in 2019, thanks to a clever, new App for iPhones called "Snap-Crap") and rotting garbage that is being dumped in public places, state hygiene experts in California have warned that having people shit everywhere, and discard their filthy rubbish on public sidewalks, squares and parks, etc; is setting the stage - through spiking populations of fleas, lice and rats - for possible dark age outbreaks of the plague or worse.:toilet: (NB: President Trump is constantly attacked for being crude, vulgar and uncivilized but I bet he doesn't poop in his own Oval Office or on the carpet in Trump Tower like these deviant Californian Democrats would !!)


*While you can legally shit wherever you like in California, and to your heart's content, don't try to build a
patio
without a permit because it will cost you a fortune in fines. This is because in California a patio without a
permit is deemed more dangerous to the public health than laying down fresh poop outside a McDonald's
restaurant.


* I wonder what Ronald Reagan would have to say about all of this were he alive to see it? It doesn't bear
thinking about. It would NEVER have happened on his watch, that's for sure !


* Moving on. One out of every three Californians who enters a hospital for ANY cause is found to be suffering
from diabetes or pre - diabetes, an epidemic that particularly targets the state's Hispanics but as yet has
not
led to any effective health efforts or sufficient publicity.


* State - run dialysis clinics now dot the towns and communities of the Central Valley - a tragic symptom of
dietary culture, massive illegal immigration and poor public health education.


* Californian infrastructure is pretty much fucked. For example, the transportation system, none of the major
trans - state freeways after 70 years of use are completed with six lanes. The result is dangerous bottlenecks and traffic wrecks. The concrete carcass of the planned multi-billion dollar high-speed rail system hangs over Fresno. The project was recently cancelled as bureaucrats insisted more billions of dollars had to be spent to finish it.


* LAX's poor road access, traffic, uncleanliness, crowds and chaos have made it a nightmare,


* Public rest rooms at rest stops in cities like LA and San Francisco are extremely unsanitary.


* State residents are advised to brace themselves for lots of power outages from California's antiquated grid, in the same way the residents of Third World nations like the Republic of South Africa are.


* Crime is on the rise. It is epidemic in local jails. San Francisco has the highest rate of property crime per
capita of any major US city. The California prison system is a mess and sanctuary cities ensure that illegal
aliens charged with crimes will not be deported.


* Californian schools are typically in the bottom decile of national rankings.


* California's Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) is the worst public service in the entirety of the United
States. DMV scandals are notorious and multifarious. For instance, 1000s of "motor - voter" registrations are
sent to the wrong people, including illegal immigrants (supposedly ineligible to vote !), corrupt employees
sell commercial truck licenses to unqualified drivers and private corporations sell hard - to - obtain
reservations and appointments.


* And the list of California's current Third World features goes on and so.


* Do you know how this all happened, Bill ?


If so, you tell me your view, and then I'll tell you mine.


Dachshund

Reagan was so great that he gave millions of Mexican illegals amnesty.
(Rolls eyes)

A typical Anglo-SUXon.

Poles like Ryszard Kuklinski, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Lech Walesa, and Pope Jan Pawel II probably had more to do with the collapse of the Soviets, than Reagan.
 
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True, but the point is Jewish funding is overrepresented in both parties. And the Jewish media role might be even more important.

What or which Jewish Media?? Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman or screaming Mark Levin??

Last time I checked is there even a Jew in the GOP house/senate??...........(:
 
(Libertarian) Economist Bryan Caplan wrote a book in support of open borders. The description of the book:

""Economist Bryan Caplan makes a bold case for unrestricted immigration in this fact-filled graphic nonfiction.

American policy-makers have long been locked in a heated battle over whether, how many, and what kind of immigrants to allow to live and work in the country. Those in favor of welcoming more immigrants often cite humanitarian reasons, while those in favor of more restrictive laws argue the need to protect native citizens.

But economist Bryan Caplan adds a new, compelling perspective to the immigration debate: He argues that opening all borders could eliminate absolute poverty worldwide and usher in a booming worldwide economy―greatly benefiting humanity.""


So most people in the U.S. are going to say they are against that. I understand you're arguing Biden speaking out against the Obama Administration deporting so many people and Democratic Presidential candidates arguing we should relax penalties on those caught trying to cross illegally as 'open borders'.

But ultimately we don't address the underlying cause. It's a combination of the desire of people to come here to improve their lot in life and our desire for cheap (often unskilled) labor. There needs to be a fundamental change in how we address immigration and just putting a wall up isn't going to do it.

no. fuck that globalism shit.
 
Having so many people in jail as America has is proof of failure at even the basics.....

Do we agree?

Certainly having so many Americans in jail is an indication of fail IMHO, but maybe some think that is a good thing.......
 
Well, Bill, I am Australian and I grew up very close to a longish strip of our East Coast that is very similar in terms of its "sun, surf, sea ,sand" culture, to Southern California. When we were kids we would go surf-board riding at the Gold Coast every weekend. The coastal town of Noosa is nearby and today its beaches and neighbouring National Heritage Parks, swanky bars and restaurants attract lots of celebrities from around the world, in particular, Hollywood stars. Returning to what I was saying; as young men, we loved the "Beach Boys" (the 1960's pop band) their music struck a chord with us and I figured that Southern California's youth culture must have been very similar to our own. Also, as an adult, I became a Conservative (after reading the essays of Edmund Burke, the 18th century father of the modern, British Tory Party) and was an admirer of Ronald Reagan who I think was one of America's greatest Presidents and Cold War warriors. Before he was President he was,- as I'm sure you know -, elected Governor of California in 1967 (if memory serves) and ran the state well until 1975. So, for these - and a number of other reasons - I have a special interest in California , especially its politics. I regularly try to find all of the best quality, non-fake news about the state that I can access on the internet, and I have to tell you that what I have read over the past few years has not been good at all, Bill.



But firstly, you are right that there are some great things about California. It has America's most amenable climate and some outstandingly beautiful and diverse physical geography. Also it has major, natural ports facing the vibrant Asian economies, and is naturally rich in timber, agriculture, mining and energy. As well as this, it was fortunate to inherit an effective local and state government from the 20th century.



Unfortunately, in the 21st century, California's fate has been placed in the hands of hyper-progressive Democrat Governors, most notably: Gerry "Moonbeam" Brown:chicken: and his successor, current Governor, Gavin Newsome:palm: (who I am 100% sure has two Left testicles).


Here is some of the fall-out, Bill...


* Almost one quarter of the population of California (the largest state in the US) live below the poverty line.
Another fifth is categorized as near the poverty level.


* One third of America's welfare recipients now live in California.


* California has the highest homeless population in the nation (135,000).


* About 22% of America's total homeless population reside in California - whose economy is the largest in
the US, funding the greatest number of billionaires and high-income ZIP codes.


* California's middle - class is shrinking rapidly because of massive regulation, high taxation (income, sales,
gasoline), green zoning and associated high housing prices.


* Millions have left California and this out-migration from the state is predominantly a middle - class and
upper - class phenomenon. The have been largely replaced by indigent and often illegal immigrant from
south of the border.


* Incredible as it may sound, LA police stations and, indeed, LA City Ha,l have been endangered by periodic
flea - bourne infectious typhus outbreaks. A problem generally associated with cities in medieval times. Yet
typhus and outbreaks of infections with Hepatitis A are in the news on the streets of California today.


* The sidewalks of the state's major cities are peppered with copious piles of human poop, puddles of urine, used heroin syringes and rotting refuge. Democrat Governor, Gary Newsome, is OK with people shitting in public wherever they like, and there is now now law against it. This is because in Newsome's leftist Democrat logic, public pooping "BUTTS" UP:) against progressive toleration, so it is exempted from the law. Therefore, Bill, if you're ever in your local Walmart store in California and you feel the sudden urge to "strangle a darkie" don't be shy about dropping your trousers in one of the shopping aisles and "squeezing one out"; one of the "Fresh Produce" aisles would probably be most appropriate. Actually, this gives me an idea for how Republicans could oust Nancy Pelosi. Trump could send a Tweet to all Republicans voters directing them to converge on Nancy's residence in San Francisco and poop in her garden to protest her involvement in the impeachment farce. With hundreds (maybe 1000s ?!) of Republicans pooping all over her garden every day, she'd quickly break under the pressure, raise the "White Flag":igive:, and resign from politics ! Anyway, with regard to all this poop (over 28,000 were officially located and removed in SF in 2019, thanks to a clever, new App for iPhones called "Snap-Crap") and rotting garbage that is being dumped in public places, state hygiene experts in California have warned that having people shit everywhere, and discard their filthy rubbish on public sidewalks, squares and parks, etc; is setting the stage - through spiking populations of fleas, lice and rats - for possible dark age outbreaks of the plague or worse.:toilet: (NB: President Trump is constantly attacked for being crude, vulgar and uncivilized but I bet he doesn't poop in his own Oval Office or on the carpet in Trump Tower like these deviant Californian Democrats would !!)


*While you can legally shit wherever you like in California, and to your heart's content, don't try to build a
patio
without a permit because it will cost you a fortune in fines. This is because in California a patio without a
permit is deemed more dangerous to the public health than laying down fresh poop outside a McDonald's
restaurant.


* I wonder what Ronald Reagan would have to say about all of this were he alive to see it? It doesn't bear
thinking about. It would NEVER have happened on his watch, that's for sure !


* Moving on. One out of every three Californians who enters a hospital for ANY cause is found to be suffering
from diabetes or pre - diabetes, an epidemic that particularly targets the state's Hispanics but as yet has
not
led to any effective health efforts or sufficient publicity.


* State - run dialysis clinics now dot the towns and communities of the Central Valley - a tragic symptom of
dietary culture, massive illegal immigration and poor public health education.


* Californian infrastructure is pretty much fucked. For example, the transportation system, none of the major
trans - state freeways after 70 years of use are completed with six lanes. The result is dangerous bottlenecks and traffic wrecks. The concrete carcass of the planned multi-billion dollar high-speed rail system hangs over Fresno. The project was recently cancelled as bureaucrats insisted more billions of dollars had to be spent to finish it.


* LAX's poor road access, traffic, uncleanliness, crowds and chaos have made it a nightmare,


* Public rest rooms at rest stops in cities like LA and San Francisco are extremely unsanitary.


* State residents are advised to brace themselves for lots of power outages from California's antiquated grid, in the same way the residents of Third World nations like the Republic of South Africa are.


* Crime is on the rise. It is epidemic in local jails. San Francisco has the highest rate of property crime per
capita of any major US city. The California prison system is a mess and sanctuary cities ensure that illegal
aliens charged with crimes will not be deported.


* Californian schools are typically in the bottom decile of national rankings.


* California's Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) is the worst public service in the entirety of the United
States. DMV scandals are notorious and multifarious. For instance, 1000s of "motor - voter" registrations are
sent to the wrong people, including illegal immigrants (supposedly ineligible to vote !), corrupt employees
sell commercial truck licenses to unqualified drivers and private corporations sell hard - to - obtain
reservations and appointments.


* And the list of California's current Third World features goes on and so.


* Do you know how this all happened, Bill ?


If so, you tell me your view, and then I'll tell you mine.


Dachshund
Thanks for sharing your wonderful childhood.... I am in Northern Calif but grew up 30 miles from Santa Cruz & have lots of fond memories...

Yes, there are some problems w/ homeless, which I have commented on numerous times here....... I dunno what percent exactly were born/or from Calif, but those ppl come from every place in the country to Calif~Oregon, Wash etc.......

I use to be a conservative, prob more than 20 years & voted for Reagan once & bush....... I have since come to see (eyes opened) since then......

I was never a dem & still hold many con values etc........ IMHO both parties are merely two fingers of the one hand, a right hand & corporately owned.....

Reagan, like Calif, had some good points, also some bad ones as well....... I would guess you were not for him legalizing the 5+ million illegals~which has now ballooned to
quadruple THAT........ He also gave them free medical care in the process........

He "liberated" the mentally ill as well~I was in NYC when he did, freeing over 25,000 mentally ill ppl onto the city.......

Now those mentally ill, along w/ dopers, drunks & families on hard times have no place to go.......

Tax breaks & laws allowing corps to avoid taxes leaves noting in the coffers for them or pandemics...:|

You have a great weekend my friend, & don't forget your sunscreen...:)
 
What or which Jewish Media?? Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman or screaming Mark Levin??

Last time I checked is there even a Jew in the GOP house/senate??...........(:

There's David Kustoff and Lee Zeldin, but more importantly, there are lots of Goys who understand that if they want to win elections and make money, they have to please the Jewish establishment.
 
Could catch as many as you want, & easy... Just stake out any home depot about any time of the day, but 6AM they are lining up like hookers & Johns on those dark streets of every American city..

Nice fat fine to the store for enabling it would help as well........... They know exactly what is happening on their property.......:|

Totally. There's no way they're in there just like, ah, interesting how once again all those fine Mexican men are hanging around outside our store.
 
Provide a list of people who want open borders. I have met none of them.
Universal healthcare might have helped the Corona problems. It solves health problems including chronic conditions like diabetes and high blood pressure
 
Provide a list of people who want open borders. I have met none of them.
Universal healthcare might have helped the Corona problems. It solves health problems including chronic conditions like diabetes and high blood pressure
It is also much cheaper.
 
Provide a list of people who want open borders. I have met none of them.
Universal healthcare might have helped the Corona problems. It solves health problems including chronic conditions like diabetes and high blood pressure

Most people I've met want to limit Illegal Immigrants, Democrats included.

However, the Democrat Globalist elite, want to bust our balls with Illegal Immigrant pandering.
 
Totally. There's no way they're in there just like, ah, interesting how once again all those fine Mexican men are hanging around outside our store.

Yep....... Is this legal?? They have security cameras all over the place... If they were selling drugs or ass the cops would bust them, @ least occasionally......

Here in Calif they can't even bother them........
 
Yep....... Is this legal?? They have security cameras all over the place... If they were selling drugs or ass the cops would bust them, @ least occasionally......

Here in Calif they can't even bother them........

I guess their answer would be that they can't assume those people are illegal just because they're Mexican.
Which is fine, but what they can do is say nobody is allowed to loiter outside of the store, regardless of race or ethnicity.
 
I guess their answer would be that they can't assume those people are illegal just because they're Mexican.
Which is fine, but what they can do is say nobody is allowed to loiter outside of the store, regardless of race or ethnicity.

Exactly....

They could simply pull up & let them make their pitch, & run it just like they do w/ street hookers...
 
Did you watch the first dem debate?? Do you see any way that some ppl could get that impression??
 
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