Reality check on electric cars

RB 60 said:
This is blasphemy! (like putting a Chevy motor in a Ford)

The electric Cobra develops 308 horsepower and peak torque of 368 pound-feet, according to AC. With an estimated curb weight of around 2,750 pounds, the car can do 0-62 mph in 6.7 seconds, with a top speed of 120 mph. Range is estimated at 150 miles, likely as measured on the European WLTP testing cycle.

Production of the Series 1 Electric and Charter Edition will be limited to 58 cars apiece, in reference to the 58th anniversary of the original Cobra. United Kingdom pricing starts at £138,000 (about $170,000 at current exchange rates) for the Series 1 Electric, and £85,000 ($105,000) for the Charter Edition. However, AC hasn't discussed plans to offer either model in the United States.

(a rather expensive pooch!)

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1128714_ac-cars-will-build-a-limited-run-of-all-electric-cobras

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Superformance, the noted sports car and replicar builder, is launching an electric replica of the iconic Cobra sports car.

In late October, the company released a teaser video (first spotted by Muscle Cars & Trucks) of an all-electric Cobra—dubbed MKIII E.


https://www.motorauthority.com/news...s-electric-with-superformance-mkiii-e-replica

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https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1128714_ac-cars-will-build-a-limited-run-of-all-electric-cobras
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Of course you are wrong. https://www.motorbiscuit.com/heres-what-its-like-to-drive-a-tesla-model-3-on-a-race-track/ The Tesla is as made.
 
However electric cars are not about racing. they slash pollutants and dependence on fossil fuels. They cut noise. They just happened to be fast.
 
Nordberg said:
However electric cars are not about racing.
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Guess you haven't paying much attention to the last two examples.
Nordberg said:
they slash pollutants
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No. Ignoring the open pit mines required to get the lithium for the batteries, they must be charged. That requires power. That comes from (in many cases) coal, oil, and natural gas power plants. These cars still use consumable items like tires. Tires that must be replaced from time to time.
Nordberg said:
and dependence on fossil fuels.
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We don't use fossils for fuel. Fossils don't burn.
Why do you hate coal, oil, or natural gas as fuels?
Nordberg said:
They cut noise.
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True. The electric is quieter. Even too quiet! They can be a hazard because they are too quiet.
Nordberg said:
They just happened to be fast.
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They can be, but that's not the problem with the electric car.
 
Into the Night said:
Guess you haven't paying much attention to the last two examples.

No. Ignoring the open pit mines required to get the lithium for the batteries, they must be charged. That requires power. That comes from (in many cases) coal, oil, and natural gas power plants. These cars still use consumable items like tires. Tires that must be replaced from time to time.

We don't use fossils for fuel. Fossils don't burn.
Why do you hate coal, oil, or natural gas as fuels?

True. The electric is quieter. Even too quiet! They can be a hazard because they are too quiet.

They can be, but that's not the problem with the electric car.
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"Why do you hate coal, oil, or natural gas as fuels?" this is the dumbest question ever asked on the internet in its entirety.
 
Into the Night said:
Guess you haven't paying much attention to the last two examples.

No. Ignoring the open pit mines required to get the lithium for the batteries, they must be charged. That requires power. That comes from (in many cases) coal, oil, and natural gas power plants. These cars still use consumable items like tires. Tires that must be replaced from time to time.

We don't use fossils for fuel. Fossils don't burn.
Why do you hate coal, oil, or natural gas as fuels?

True. The electric is quieter. Even too quiet! They can be a hazard because they are too quiet.

They can be, but that's not the problem with the electric car.
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Yes they slash pollutants.
Rare earths can be mined cleaner, but the Russians are not doing it. The Chinese are not doing it. They are maxing profits. Battery components are in great demand for a lot more than cars.
 
MAGA said:
REALITY CHECK: At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro Executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious "If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, you have to face certain realities."

"For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded. This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load."

So, as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This later "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this deadend road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine." Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.

It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip, your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity.

I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 Mpg = $0.10 per mile.

The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs $46,000 plus. So, the Government wants us to pay twice as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run and takes three times longer to drive across the country.

WAKE UP NORTH AMERICA!!!!!!!
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Here's another reality check. Human caused global warming is destroying our planet. At an ever accelerating rate.
 
MAGA said:
REALITY CHECK: At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro Executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious "If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, you have to face certain realities."

"For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded. This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load."

So, as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This later "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this deadend road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine." Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.

It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip, your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity.

I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 Mpg = $0.10 per mile.

The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs $46,000 plus. So, the Government wants us to pay twice as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run and takes three times longer to drive across the country.

WAKE UP NORTH AMERICA!!!!!!!
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While I may be against battery cars, this is just so wrong, it's wrong.

"For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded. This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load."
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If you go with the Level 2 charging system this is correct. No home can do a 480 V 3 phase system and the Level 1 120 volt "trickle charge" is worthless. Most homes have a 200 amp service. Many newer homes go to 300 or 400 amps now. That service is single phase, not 3 phase but the power on the street is 3 phase. The full 75 amps is not normally used in charging, but rather is simply the sizing used for installation of the wiring and other devices in the circuit.
The actual charge would be less.

One should note that tankless water heaters take about the same or even more power than this charging unit, and those are frequently installed in homes now too.

Bottom line, no a few Tesla stations won't overload the system in a typical neighborhood. It would require most of the homes to adopt one before that happens.

I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 Mpg = $0.10 per mile.
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I don't know where this guy lives, but the average price in the US for a kwh--right now, today outside California, Alaska, or Hawaii--is about $0.13. Even the higher priced areas are under $0.20 for the most part. Nowhere is a kilowatt hour costing $1.16. Even in Germany with one of the world's highest electricity prices a kwh doesn't come close to that (it's about $0.35).

So, this guy's rant is full of mistakes and bullshit. I still think battery cars are stupid though...
 
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