Reality check on electric cars

[Into the Night]

Same as ICEs, They deteriorate through use and time. Mechanical devices do that.

Uh. You ARE aware that cars from the 1940s are still driving around today, right?

 

[Into the Night]

Charging stations are being built by the millions.

By force of government and by subsidies.
There was no charging station there. Just the single outlet. They will not be putting a charging station there. It requires the installation of large transformers and there isn't room for them.

 

[Into the Night]

Electric cars are in it's infancy!
In ten years they will be dominant
Mainstream vehicles.

The first time someone said that was in the late 1800's.

 

[Into the Night]

Ancient history

Yet you call this ancient history the future.
You are seriously confused.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Uh. You ARE aware that cars from the 1940s are still driving around today, right?

LOL. LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

And you know horse and buggy are still used in some places too!

 

[Into the Night]

That is simply your belief.

So you are actually going to try to deny all the government programs and subsidies that you so recently touted for electric cars, windmills, and solar power???????!? You are locked in paradox, dude.

Don't confuse it with fact.

Buzzword fallacy. Learn what 'fact' means.

Norway is going electric quickly.

I feel sorry for the Norwegians. They won't have any transportation that's worth spit. EVs are terrible in the cold weather.

Lots of nations are.

...and any that actually do are going to suffer the same fate.

Some of us want to clean the air

The air is already clean.

or at least not make it worse.

The air is not getting 'worse'.

The Electric Car industry is up against energy companies' huge deep pockets.

EVs are not energy, dumbass.

They take billions in tax breaks and subsidies.

Yes. Energy companies receive subsidies to install wind turbines and solar panels. It's theft. It's fascism.
Idiot governments like Norway are mandating EVs, and you have the gall to say they are and they aren't in the SAME POST????????????!?

If it weren't for all that power, we would have been far ahead in electric development.

EVs are not energy.

If EVs were not fun to drive and reliable, they would have already died.

They already died.

That is part of why they are growing.

They are not growing.

Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.

 

[Into the Night]

EV is the future

The past is not the future.

 

[Into the Night]

The environment doesn't matter?

...and here it comes...the usual void argument about 'the environment'. No specifics. Just religious chanting.

 

[Into the Night]

LOL. Try driving one. It's great. Almost no scheduled maintenance,

So you don't take care of your car. You are already in this paradox.

you can charge on your solar at home

Nope. Piddle power will take days to charge an EV.

(I've driven for free for about 3 years now)

TANSTAAFL. Nothin's free.

and the acceleration is off the charts. I love my Bolt.

A piece of shit car that you don't even maintain that you claim you can charge from nothing.

It's not the only car that anyone ever needs, I realize that. But it's a good car, good range and perfect for 99% of my driving.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! It's a piece of shit, dude! It has the lowest range of any EV! It has NUMEROUS serious recalls (that you apparently never dealt with!) that involve safety!

Did I mention the "drive for free" part? Yeah, that's cool.

TANSTAAFL. Nothin's free.

I haven't had to go to a gas station for years now...don't even really know the price of gas anymore!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Now you claim you drive with your eyes closed too!

 

[Into the Night]

It isn't my "belief," it's a fact. For Norway to get where they have with EV's the government had to literally bribe the country into buying them while regulating heavily against ICE vehicles.

The Norwegian EV incentives:

No purchase/import tax on EVs (1990-2022). From 2023 some purchase tax based on the cars’ weight on all new EVs.
Exemption from 25% VAT on purchase (2001-2022). From 2023, Norway will implement a 25 percent VAT on the purchase price from 500 000 Norwegian Kroner and over
No annual road tax (1996-2021). Reduced tax from 2021. Full tax from 2022.
No charges on toll roads (1997- 2017).
No charges on ferries (2009- 2017).
Maximum 50% of the total amount on ferry fares for electric vehicles (2018)
Maximum 50% of the total amount on toll roads (2018-2022). From 2023 70%
Free municipal parking (1999- 2017)
Access to bus lanes (2005-). New rules allow local authorities to limit the access to only include EVs that carry one or more passengers (2016-)
25% reduced company car tax (2000-2008). 50 % reduced company car tax (2009-2017). Company car tax reduction reduced to 40% (2018-2021) and 20 percent from 2022.
Exemption from 25% VAT on leasing (2015-)
The Norwegian Parliament decided on a national goal that all new cars sold by 2025 should be zero-emission (electric or hydrogen) (2017).
«Charging right» for people living in apartment buildings was established (2017-)
Public procurement:​ From 2022 cars needs to be ZEV​. From 2025 the same applies to city buses​

https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-...ree municipal parking (1999- 2017) More items

That's the official Norwegian government source.

All those subsidies, regulations, tax breaks, etc., were necessary to entice people into taking what the public widely sees as an expensive and inferior product. That's the truth, and it shows in every country trying to get people to mass convert to EV's. People won't waste their money on what they see as a shitty and expensive alternative to what they have now, and that's the problem with EV's. They are unattractive to the vast majority of people.

He's denying government mandates and subsidies while pushing government mandates and subsidies. He's locked in another paradox.

 

[Into the Night]

I just bought a Nissian Frontier Pro 4X. I need a pickup for what I do. That was less than half the price of a Ford F150 Lightning or Rivian, and far more reliable since both EV trucks have been subject to numerous recalls now. Aside from that, even those won't go places I go in many cases without serious worry about finding charging stations.

I have an older Ford F150 for my truck. It can haul my tractor or a load of rock 70 miles and I can come back for a return trip and do it again AND come back on one tank of fuel. The Ford F150 Lightning can barely go one way, and won't make it back. The Rivian is no better. Neither can haul these loads either. Too much weight in the battery. I have to cut my load to compensate.

 

[Into the Night]

EV is the future

Chanting changes nothing.
The past is not the future.

 

[Into the Night]

YOu wouldn't buy a Honda Fit for your applications either. So why do you think an EV sedan is going to work everywhere?

Nonsense question. He doesn't want a sedan.

 

[Into the Night]

So driving for free with almost no scheduled maintenance ISN'T economical in your world?

You are not driving for free. I already know you don't take care of your car. That's bad for a piece of shit Bolt.

 

[Into the Night]

The ice powered automobile came into being in late 1800s Germany.
In contrast, the Wright brothers first successful aircraft was launched in 1903.

Thus, the ice car is older than that first aircraft,
and if we're being honest, very few commercial airlines
are still using planes similar to that used that historic day in North Carolina .

ALL commercial aviation uses oil based products for fuel. There are no electric airplanes used by airlines.

 

[Into the Night]

Ford did a survey of the new pickup truck of the 150 Lightning owners. They found they use the truck twice as often as 150 ICE owners for home projects and moving stuff.
They use their truck bed at double the rate ICE 150 owners' used theirs.
They use their truck at a 25 percent higher rate for hauling bikes, tents, kayaks, and cooking stoves. They go camping at 25 percent higher frequency.

Won't haul my load the distance I need to haul it.

 

[Into the Night]

LOL. LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

And you know horse and buggy are still used in some places too!

Not on the freeway. Go look. It's gasoline cars. Less than 1% of those cars are EVs.

 

[Nordberg]

EVs are 6 % of cars sold this year
The expectations are 10 % by 2025
30 percent by 2030
50 by 2050.
It is coming.

 

[Nordberg]

Won't haul my load the distance I need to haul it.

Snowflake, it is not only about you. EVs are not ready for some applications. They will be though, and then you will not be ready.

 

[Into the Night]

EVs are 6 % of cars sold this year
The expectations are 10 % by 2025
30 percent by 2030
50 by 2050.
It is coming.

Making up numbers and using them as data is a fallacy, dude.