Indeed.
That would be the southern border that Biden opened to drugs, drug dealers, gangs, murders, and terrorists…ISIS.
Republican Platform Chokes on Ukraine
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That would be the southern border that Biden opened to drugs, drug dealers, gangs, murders, and terrorists…ISIS.
Says a supporter of the idiots that allowed Russia to invade Crimea AND Ukraine, after first DISARMING UKRAINE.
Let Germany, France and Britain kick in until they each equal what we have; then maybe we can split it 4 ways .
The only damage Ukraine causes us is massive bleeding off of our resources, we're approachung $100 BILLION.
WHEN DOES IT END?.
Scott
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I don't care about her opinion.Obama didn't give Crimea to Putin. Putin annexed it after Crimeans held a referendum wherein they decided they wanted to rejoin Russia. Very few western journalists have investigated what really happened there. The only article I've seen from a reporter who actually went to Crimea after the fact is Canadian American Eva Bartlett. Her article is here:
Return to Russia: Crimeans Tell the Real Story of the 2014 Referendum and Their Lives Since
Eva Bartlett traveled to Crimea to see how people have fared since their country reunited with Russia and what the referendum was really likewww.mintpressnews.com
It's not an opinion piece. She literally went to Crimea and asked Crimeans what happened. She's literally the only western journalist I know who actually went there and wrote an article about what actual Crimeans have to say about Crimea's return to Russia.
I actually agree with you here, but I think it's important to note -where- Obama failed Ukraine. He failed Ukraine in working with far right elements in Ukraine to topple the elected government of President Viktor Yanukovych, thus destabilizing the country, getting Crimea to decide to rejoin Russia and the Donbass region to rebel, resulting in an 8 year civil war. Just how far the U.S. went in toppling Yanukovych's government is not clear, but what -is- clear is what those far right elements in Ukraine did to get this done. A good article on the subject:
U.S Sponsored Neo-Nazi Ukraine 2014 EuroMaidan. The Hiring of Snipers - Global Research
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This simply isn't true. From Eva Bartlett's article:
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Since there was so much hype in Western media about a Russian takeover of the peninsula, I ask the burning questions: Were Crimeans forced to take part in the referendum? What was the mood like around that time? Tata replied:
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Full article:
Return to Russia: Crimeans Tell the Real Story of the 2014 Referendum and Their Lives Since
Eva Bartlett traveled to Crimea to see how people have fared since their country reunited with Russia and what the referendum was really like
www.mintpressnews.com
Bigdog
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Russia invaded Crimea on 20 February 2014. The referendum vote was Mar. 16, 2014. That is the timeline.It's not an opinion piece. She literally went to Crimea and asked Crimeans what happened. She's literally the only western journalist I know who actually went there and wrote an article about what actual Crimeans have to say about Crimea's return to Russia.
I actually agree with you here, but I think it's important to note -where- Obama failed Ukraine. He failed Ukraine in working with far right elements in Ukraine to topple the elected government of President Viktor Yanukovych, thus destabilizing the country, getting Crimea to decide to rejoin Russia and the Donbass region to rebel, resulting in an 8 year civil war. Just how far the U.S. went in toppling Yanukovych's government is not clear, but what -is- clear is what those far right elements in Ukraine did to get this done. A good article on the subject:
U.S Sponsored Neo-Nazi Ukraine 2014 EuroMaidan. The Hiring of Snipers - Global Research
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This simply isn't true. From Eva Bartlett's article:
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Since there was so much hype in Western media about a Russian takeover of the peninsula, I ask the burning questions: Were Crimeans forced to take part in the referendum? What was the mood like around that time? Tata replied:
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Full article:
Return to Russia: Crimeans Tell the Real Story of the 2014 Referendum and Their Lives Since
Eva Bartlett traveled to Crimea to see how people have fared since their country reunited with Russia and what the referendum was really like
(Pro Russian) Yanukovytch deceived the people. In 2013 he broke his promise to be pro Europe. People protested and he had them beaten. By 2014, he was having protesters shot in the streets. It backfired on him, and he chose to flee amongst the chaos he created.
The "pro Russia - pro Europe" civil conflict had been boiling since 2004 when (pro Europe) Yushchenko was poisoned with dioxin, and the democratic election results were rejected and overturned.
Don't forget the Uniparty Republicans, RINOs and Neo-Cons..... they are filthy as well.
Scott
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Based on Eva Bartlett's article, I can see that this is what CNN was reporting. Quoting from an actual Crimean on this is educational:
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Since there was so much hype in Western media about a Russian takeover of the peninsula, I ask the burning questions: Were Crimeans forced to take part in the referendum? What was the mood like around that time? Tata replied:
"I never saw so many people in my life go out to vote, of their own free will. There was a period before the referendum, maybe about two months, during which there were two holidays: International Women’s Day, March 8, and Defender of the Fatherland Day, February 23.
Normally, people would go away on vacation during these holidays. But that year, Crimeans didn’t go anywhere; they wanted to be sure they were here during the referendum. We felt the sense of a miracle about to happen. People were anxiously awaiting the referendum.
There were military tents in the city, but they were not erected by the military, but by local men. They would stand there every day, and people could come and sign a document calling for a referendum.
I went one day and asked if I could add my name but I couldn’t, because I have a Russian passport. Only Crimean citizens could sign it. This was the fair way to do it.
At that time, my husband was in America. One day, he was watching CNN and got scared and called me because he saw reports of soldiers in the streets, an ‘invasion’ by Russia.
The local navy came from Sevastopol to Yalta and anchored their ships off the coast, made a blockade to ensure no larger Ukrainian or other ships could come and attack.
But I never saw tanks, I never saw Russian soldiers. I never saw any of that in the city.”
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Full article:
Return to Russia: Crimeans Tell the Real Story of the 2014 Referendum and Their Lives Since
Eva Bartlett traveled to Crimea to see how people have fared since their country reunited with Russia and what the referendum was really like
www.mintpressnews.com
No, Yanukovych was -not- the one who ordered the shootings in the Euromaidan massacre. The truth there is far, far darker. There are numerous articles on what really happened there, but the key takeway is that it was the far right neo nazis who replaced Yanukovych who played a large role there:
U.S Sponsored Neo-Nazi Ukraine 2014 EuroMaidan. The Hiring of Snipers - Global Research
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Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
forced to vote? NO, not a burning a question.Based on Eva Bartlett's article, I can see that this is what CNN was reporting. Quoting from an actual Crimean on this is educational:
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Since there was so much hype in Western media about a Russian takeover of the peninsula, I ask the burning questions: Were Crimeans forced to take part in the referendum? What was the mood like around that time? Tata replied:
"I never saw so many people in my life go out to vote, of their own free will. There was a period before the referendum, maybe about two months, during which there were two holidays: International Women’s Day, March 8, and Defender of the Fatherland Day, February 23.
Normally, people would go away on vacation during these holidays. But that year, Crimeans didn’t go anywhere; they wanted to be sure they were here during the referendum. We felt the sense of a miracle about to happen. People were anxiously awaiting the referendum.
There were military tents in the city, but they were not erected by the military, but by local men. They would stand there every day, and people could come and sign a document calling for a referendum.
I went one day and asked if I could add my name but I couldn’t, because I have a Russian passport. Only Crimean citizens could sign it. This was the fair way to do it.
At that time, my husband was in America. One day, he was watching CNN and got scared and called me because he saw reports of soldiers in the streets, an ‘invasion’ by Russia.
The local navy came from Sevastopol to Yalta and anchored their ships off the coast, made a blockade to ensure no larger Ukrainian or other ships could come and attack.
But I never saw tanks, I never saw Russian soldiers. I never saw any of that in the city.”
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Full article:
Return to Russia: Crimeans Tell the Real Story of the 2014 Referendum and Their Lives Since
Eva Bartlett traveled to Crimea to see how people have fared since their country reunited with Russia and what the referendum was really like
No, Yanukovych was -not- the one who ordered the shootings in the Euromaidan massacre. The truth there is far, far darker. There are numerous articles on what really happened there, but the key takeway is that it was the far right neo nazis who replaced Yanukovych who played a large role there:
U.S Sponsored Neo-Nazi Ukraine 2014 EuroMaidan. The Hiring of Snipers - Global Research
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Enticed to vote with promises of gov't cash handouts? Yes.
It was a stealthy invasion; no tanks. Russians often wore Ukrainian uniforms, camo with no insignia, or civilian clothes.
Please define Ukrainian far right Neo Nazi.
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If we cleaned up our own backyard you would be back in school.
moon
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He's a misogynistic debauchee.
moon
Satire for Sanity
That would be the territory held by the pro-Russian Ukrainians which has been recognized by the Russians as independent of Ukrainian Nazism - according to the will of its inhabitants.
Bai Lan
Let It Rot
specific military actions in platforms is the act of an in-denial latent homosexual.True to its cowardly subservience to Donald Trump, of all people, the GOP is planning to introduce a platform that will say nothing on the war in Ukraine. This is a Munich moment but for Republicans it is more about giving Trump a gift he can deliver to his idol.
Republican Party committee approves 2024 platform, makes no mention of Ukraine, Russia
The 16-page document, which must be still approved at the upcoming Republican National Convention, focuses primarily on domestic issues.kyivindependent.com
Bai Lan
Let It Rot
and now Democrats are dumb.Not sure where you're getting this idea that this is what Obama did.
He was smart. Journalist Aaron Mate touches upon why Obama refused to arm Ukraine in an article he wrote a few months after Russia's military operation in Ukraine began:
Siding With Ukraine’s Far-Right, US Sabotaged Zelensky’s Peace Mandate
In 2019, Zelensky was elected on an overwhelming mandate to make peace with Russia. As Stephen F. Cohen warned that year, the US chose to side with Ukraine’s far-right and fuel war.scheerpost.com
Quoting the introduction:
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On a warm October day in 2019, the eminent Russia studies professor Stephen F. Cohen and I sat down in Manhattan for what would be our last in-person interview (Cohen passed away in September 2020 at the age of 81).
The House was gearing up to impeach Donald Trump for freezing weapons shipments to Ukraine while pressuring its government to investigate Joe Biden and his son Hunter. The Beltway media was consumed with frenzy of a presidency in peril. But Professor Cohen, one of the leading Russia scholars in the United States, was concerned with what the impeachment spectacle in Washington meant for the long-running war between the US-backed Ukrainian government and Russian-backed rebels in the Donbas.
At that point, Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelensky was just months into an upstart presidency that he had won on a pledge to end the Donbas conflict. Instead of supporting the Ukrainian leader’s peace mandate, Democrats in Congress were impeaching Trump for briefly impeding the flow of weapons that fueled the fight. As his Democratic allies now like to forget, President Obama refused to send these same weapons out of fear of prolonging the war and arming Nazis. By abandoning Obama’s policy, the Democrats, Cohen warned, threaten to sabotage peace and strengthen Ukraine’s far-right.
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I think it's a great article. Aaron then launches into the main theme of his article, how the U.S.'s encouraging of the far right in Ukraine led to Zelensky's turnabout from peace candidate to war cheerleader. He starts with how things were back in 2019:
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“Zelensky ran as a peace candidate,” Cohen explained. “He won an enormous mandate to make peace. So, that means he has to negotiate with Vladimir Putin.” But there was a major obstacle. Ukrainian fascists “have said that they will remove and kill Zelensky if he continues along this line of negotiating with Putin… His life is being threatened literally by a quasi-fascist movement in Ukraine.”
Peace could only come, Cohen stressed, on one condition. “[Zelensky] can’t go forward with full peace negotiations with Russia, with Putin, unless America has his back,” he said. “Maybe that won’t be enough, but unless the White House encourages this diplomacy, Zelensky has no chance of negotiating an end to the war. So the stakes are enormously high.”
The subsequent impeachment trial, and bipartisan US policy since, has made clear that Washington has had no interest in having Zelensky’s back, and every interest in fueling the Donbas war that he had been elected to end. The overwhelming message from Congress, fervently amplified across the US media (including progressive outlets) with next to no dissent, was that when it comes to Ukraine’s civil war, the US saw Ukraine’s far-right as allies, and its civilians as cannon fodder.
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They backed down on abortion and Ukraine.True to its cowardly subservience to Donald Trump, of all people, the GOP is planning to introduce a platform that will say nothing on the war in Ukraine. This is a Munich moment but for Republicans it is more about giving Trump a gift he can deliver to his idol.
Republican Party committee approves 2024 platform, makes no mention of Ukraine, Russia
The 16-page document, which must be still approved at the upcoming Republican National Convention, focuses primarily on domestic issues.
ExpressLane
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Indeed
You’re saying at some point you figured yourself out.
Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
Is that why Obama folded so quickly on Crimea?
moon
Satire for Sanity
Probably. I don't remember exactly.
Crimea was always Russian anyway- like its people.
Kruschev gave it away- illegally.
Scott
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Obama didn't "fold" to Russia. He simply didn't interfere. If only his Administration hadn't aided neo Nazi elements to essentially lead a coup against the elected Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, I doubt Crimea would have rejoined Russia.
Anyway, after the coup from Neo Nazis in Kyiv, Crimeans decided to have a referendum on whether they should rejoin Russia. They voted overwhelmingly to do so and Russia accepted their request, annexing them back into Russia. As far as I know, there has only been one article written by a western journalist who actually went to Crimea to find out what really happened after Russia annexed them, Canadian American journalist Eva Bartlett. Her article can be seen here:
Return to Russia: Crimeans Tell the Real Story of the 2014 Referendum and Their Lives Since
Eva Bartlett traveled to Crimea to see how people have fared since their country reunited with Russia and what the referendum was really like
www.mintpressnews.com
Scott
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As I explained to Bigdog in my previous post, Obama didn't "fold" at all. He simply didn't interfere, which was wise. What's sad is that his administration certainly played a part in Euromaidan. Had Neo Nazi forces not taken over in Kyiv, I doubt Crimea would have felt the need to rejoin Russia to begin with.
Bai Lan
Let It Rot
but i still don't care if crimeans feel russian.
fuck this neocon bullshit.
this is a waste.
neocons need to sit the fuck down now.
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