Some questions for our leftist friends at JPP.

LV426 said:
1. That is a bias informed by 40 years of Conservative propaganda that has turned your weak mind against the institution of government.

2. The government funds most medical research in this country.




Wait - I thought the ACA caused your premium to spike 100000000000%???? So you're saying the ACA kept your insurance costs low.

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Nope. ACA was NOT responsible for that. Before I became a transit operator, the ATU's biggest bargaining chip, ZERO premium payments, had to be used to garner wage increases. $41/week for a family plan is still a steal though.
 
PoliTalker said:
It was an exaggeration, true. But not far off the mark. You get the gist. The phenomenon I referred to is real. People don't stay in jobs as long as they used to.
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'Oh, for the good old days...right? I wonder how many posting here retired with 30 plus years?
 
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Boris The Animal said:
Nope. ACA was NOT responsible for that.
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Sure it was. The ACA took effect in 2010. So you've spent the last 9 or so years with an ACA-compliant plan that has cost you very little.


Boris The Animal said:
Before I became a transit operator, the ATU's biggest bargaining chip, ZERO premium payments, had to be used to garner wage increases. $41/week for a family plan is still a steal though.
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It is a very low cost...but if you're getting it through your employer, that's because your employer has purchased a group plan for you and your co-workers. What is the benefit of a group plan? It covers a wide range of ages and demos, socializing the cost among all employees through a single payer. So imagine how your employer buys coverage, and expand that nationally to everyone, and you have a single-payer system with no change to how your health care is delivered.
 
Boris The Animal said:
Not nonsense when you consider there are zero innovations or breakthroughs anywhere else EXCEPT the US. Plus, I don't trust the government, with their piss poor record of handling anything of import other than the military (and even that's questionable), with my healthcare on any level. I'll take my PRIVATE BC/BS insurance with zero deductible and $41/week premium anyday and twice on Sundays, thank you.
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Of course you are wrong, Innovations happen everywhere. Cuba invvented a lung cancer vaccine. medical innovations are around the world. Pfizer moved its antibiotic research to Shanghai. And here is the rest of the story. https://www.quora.com/What-countrie...-during-the-time-period-between-1995-and-2014
You rightys say the stupidest things.
 
LV426 said:
Sure it was. The ACA took effect in 2010. So you've spent the last 9 or so years with an ACA-compliant plan that has cost you very little.




It is a very low cost...but if you're getting it through your employer, that's because your employer has purchased a group plan for you and your co-workers. What is the benefit of a group plan? It covers a wide range of ages and demos, socializing the cost among all employees through a single payer. So imagine how your employer buys coverage, and expand that nationally to everyone, and you have a single-payer system with no change to how your health care is delivered.
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PRIVATELY is one thing. But with the Federal Government's track record or incompetence and corruption, especially at the hands of the Demoscum, you'll see why I have a healthy distrust of government, like the Founders did.
 
Boris The Animal said:
But with the Federal Government's track record or incompetence and corruption, especially at the hands of the Demoscum, you'll see why I have a healthy distrust of government, like the Founders did.
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It's not the Democrats that run government poorly, it's Republicans.

Republicans say government is the problem, then get elected and prove it.

Your bias has been informed by 40 years of Conservative propaganda that has warped your fragile mind and whipped you into a frenzy about the institution of government, while making excuses for private sector failures.
 
PoliTalker said:
It was an exaggeration, true. But not far off the mark. You get the gist. The phenomenon I referred to is real. People don't stay in jobs as long as they used to.
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And why is that? Back in the good old days worker were loyal to the company and tried to ensure it made money, and the company repaid them by taking care of them. Then workers started getting the what's in it for me attitude and things have been going down hill ever since.
 
insurance should be eliminated completely. the obfuscation of costs hampers the functioning of the market.

doctors and patients should negotiate fees for service. period.
 
Grumpy said:
And why is that? Back in the good old days worker were loyal to the company and tried to ensure it made money, and the company repaid them by taking care of them. Then workers started getting the what's in it for me attitude and things have been going down hill ever since.
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Not correct of course. The contract was broken by companies. Long ago, if a company succeeded, so did the employees. We have had the greatest profits in history for the last couple of decades and wages were stagnant. A stagnant wage is a cut due to inflation. The power and wages of workers had dropped.
Companies who were making a lot of profits still moved to Mexico and China. The left the workers in the lurch. They moved for a workforce that was cheaper and had no protections. They also moved to get away from environmental and safety regulation.
The American workers did nothing wrong.
Companies forced workers to accept clawbacks and lose benefits. They passed healthcare costs to employees, who were already making less money. And they would lay them off or fire them to save a dime.
The bargain between workers and management was broken by management. The workers just keep showing up and doing the job, but for less money and less security.
 
Nordberg said:
Not correct of course. The contract was broken by companies. Long ago, if a company succeeded, so did the employees. We have had the greatest profits in history for the last couple of decades and wages were stagnant. A stagnant wage is a cut due to inflation. The power and wages of workers had dropped.
Companies who were making a lot of profits still moved to Mexico and China. The left the workers in the lurch. They moved for a workforce that was cheaper and had no protections. They also moved to get away from environmental and safety regulation.
The American workers did nothing wrong.
Companies forced workers to accept clawbacks and lose benefits. They passed healthcare costs to employees, who were already making less money. And they would lay them off or fire them to save a dime.
The bargain between workers and management was broken by management. The workers just keep showing up and doing the job, but for less money and less security.
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Sorry but you can't put all the blame on companies. Union membership peaked in the 50's and the old partnerships between business and workers started dying. I worked for a large company in the 60's and we were almost forced to join the union. The only thing stopping them was Fla law. We had a sister plant in another city making the same products but they were non-union and their electronics techs made as much as 50 cents an hour more than we did. That doesn't seem like much but in the 60's that was a nice piece of change.
 
LV426 said:
It's not the Democrats that run government poorly, it's Republicans.

Republicans say government is the problem, then get elected and prove it.

Your bias has been informed by 40 years of Conservative propaganda that has warped your fragile mind and whipped you into a frenzy about the institution of government, while making excuses for private sector failures.
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so you think we should have permanent one party Democrat rule and zero Conservatives?
 
Boris The Animal said:
Then you have proven to be a totalitarian.
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How so?

Other parties can certainly participate and should.

But the GOP hasn't done anything for anyone, and Conservatives aren't entitled to representation in government.

And you don't want to be a part of society anyway...so why do you want to be involved in government, which you oppose on a fundamental level?
 
LV426 said:
How so?

Other parties can certainly participate and should.

But the GOP hasn't done anything for anyone, and Conservatives aren't entitled to representation in government.

And you don't want to be a part of society anyway...so why do you want to be involved in government, which you oppose on a fundamental level?
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Other parties? Yah. So long as they share the same warped Leftist ideology.
 
Grumpy said:
Sorry but you can't put all the blame on companies. Union membership peaked in the 50's and the old partnerships between business and workers started dying. I worked for a large company in the 60's and we were almost forced to join the union. The only thing stopping them was Fla law. We had a sister plant in another city making the same products but they were non-union and their electronics techs made as much as 50 cents an hour more than we did. That doesn't seem like much but in the 60's that was a nice piece of change.
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Unions are a great thing for workers. It gives them the power of a group of employees. There is no emplotyee who has power face to face with ownership. But all together, they have great power. Workers will be advanced a long way if we get more unions established. Unions have beedn demonized and crushed by management and the press the last 50 years. That is why the workers are so much more insecure and wages went stagnant. Workers quit organizing and fighting together. Management never stopped.
 
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