Robo
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Then how come single payer is advertised on the left as an "everybody pays" program? If he won't pay anything, Who pays more for his care? We already know the answer, huh buddy?
Some questions for our leftist friends at JPP.
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Then how come single payer is advertised on the left as an "everybody pays" program? If he won't pay anything, Who pays more for his care? We already know the answer, huh buddy?
Not necessarily, if they get coverage through their employer.
And why make a choice on who reimburses your doctor to make a choice on what doctor you want? That makes no sense. You first have to choose an insurance plan before you choose your doctor. So you're paying an insurance company for the privilege of choosing a doctor to treat your health care. That makes no sense and why costs are so high. You're paying a middle man so you can access health care within a limited network.
Why do you think there's merit in the choice of who reimburses your doctor after they treat you? It is literally a part of the process you aren't involved in.
So would you rather pay whatever you're paying in premiums, copays, deductibles, and drugs, or pay nothing (because you're retired, so you don't pay payroll taxes) and continue to get the same care you get now, perhaps even better care since you have more choices without having to first enroll with a middle man's insurance plan?
Like I said, you of all people should be pushing for single payer because it will save you whatever you're currently spending with your insurer.
Single payer will help people transition to retirement sooner, just as you did. That labor market elasticity is what we should be aiming for now that Millennials are the largest generation in the workforce, and Boomers are staying in the workforce specifically because of things like employer-provided care. If everyone is enrolled in single payer, then that means all those Boomers staying employed in jobs because of health care could retire and allow Gen X and the Millennials to move up the ladder in the workforce.
Robo
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I have no problem with admitting I'm forced by the feds to pay into unconstitutional Medicare and I'm smart enough to use it rather than just letting the feds wast the loot! Why would I want to disguise those facts?
Because it's pay-go.
Yeesh.
Like Medicare. The money used to pay for your Medicare didn't come from your paycheck; it comes from the paychecks of people currently employed. You paid for someone else's Medicare when you paid payroll taxes.
Everyone who is paying payroll taxes pays for single payer. RB60 paid for other people's Medicare when he was employed, just like Gen Xers and Millennials will be paying for his Medicare when he becomes eligible.
Why is that so hard for you to grasp?
You don't have to!
You can forego Medicare if you want.
You'll just have a real hard time finding an insurer who is willing to take a risk on an 83 year old asshole.
So you're a socialist in practice only.
yes, the US pays double and even more than countries with universal care. You and/or your company would not be saddled with a huge health care premium every month. The cost of insurance companies, whose business model is to fight delivering the care you pay for, would be eliminated.The taxes that would go to health insurance would be less than half what you pay now. Doctors would not have to pay a staff of workers to code insurance and collect bills Yes, it is better in every way and far more civilized. Glad you finally understand.
Robo
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That friend is exactly WHY I'm being forced into unconstitutional Medicare, because federal meddling in health insurance has inflated private healthcare prices.because Medicare doesn't pay shit and private plans have to pick up the slack. Medicare fucked everybody under 65 with a private health plan and Medicaid made the fucking even worse. People let their private plans go thinking Medicare & Medicaid would pay all of the bills and they couldn't find private care anymore when the shock hit them because they were old fucks that no insurance company wants to cover. Once they gave it up they were fucked! Doctors and hospitals stuck with the shitty payments of Medicare and Medicaid up'ed the charges and thereby the private insurance for everybody and Obamacare made it even higher!!!
The fucking feds waste billions every year, that fact isn't even refutable! My dollars they might not waste on medicare, they're wasting someplace else. Every dime they spend unconstitutionally is a waste where I come from. Those are the dollars that constitutionally belong to me and State taxation. And If I don't like what my State does with my tax dollars, I can at least vote with my feet and move to another state.I have no such freedoms under an unconstitutional bolated BIG government gang of swamp rats!!!!
Do you know why Medicare was created? Because insurance companies were charging old people sky-high rates they couldn't afford because old people are higher risk to insurance profits.
Medicare brought costs down for seniors.
So...why not expand Medicare to render private plans moot?
The idea that Medicare, and not insurance profit motives, drove up costs for everyone else is simply false.
And why would an insurance company not want to cover someone old? Because it eats into their profits. So if you remove the profit motive, what happens then?
Robo
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Medicare's been around since 1964, yet insurance costs didn't start spiking until the Bush the Dumber years. Why is that? Simple; Medicare Part-D.
Robo
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Everybody gets the miseries of socialism!
Wrong.
Health care providers pre-set pricing for everything with insurance companies in a provider's chargemaster.
Here's a great explanation of what a chargemaster is and does:
Most of that waste is in Defense.
No, Medicare surpluses go into the Medicare Trust.
Right, because you have an inherent bias against the institution of government that has been informed by 40 years of Conservative propaganda.
????
You will never vote with your feet.
Medicare was created specifically because of high insurance costs to seniors prior to 1964.
Wrong.
Completely fucking wrong.
Medicare was created in 1964 because private insurers were charging too much for seniors.
You fall back on ambiguous "Constitutional" arguments because you have an inherent bias against the institution of government that has been informed by 40 years of propaganda.
You're brainwashed.