Teacher's neck broken over iPod...

[leaningright]

This is what leaning said:
"If they do talk they are sent out of the room. First time = swats, Second time = suspension."

i'm not referring to kids going to the principals office or even being kicked out of that particular class. Are you saying that you got suspended for being caught talking twice?

Also leaning, are you guys allowed to swat students in public schools where you are?

To clarify: 1st time = swats, 2nd time (in the 9 week period) = suspension
The suspension is for 2 days and any further offenses of any kind will result in one week and any offenses after that they are deemed a "problem student" and expelled.

To answer the last question you asked, yes we are. The parents have to option of signing their kids out of corporal punishment but very few do (mostly move ins) and most, in fact, highly recommend that we use it. Like I said, we are very rural. For most of these kids, if they get swats at school they get it again at home.

It doesn't happen often though. I have only paddled 2 kids all year and next week is our last week of school. The kids learn the limits and most of them try not to go beyond them. It doesn't matter whether it is out of fear of punishment or out of simple respect for the teacher (most of the time this is the case) my classrooms are quiet and my lessons are structured and my day is organized and runs smoothly more than 90 percent of the time.

 

[leaningright]

I don't. In almost every case of homeschooling where the public system isn't involved I have met children far excelling their peers.

I can tell you damo, this is unique your circle of peers. (had to go back and correct, almost called you dano...sorry ) When you step down in social status and see the reasons for homeschooling which I mentioned in the post above that is used by many of these folks, it gets really scary and one wonders how these kids will be able to succeed when they are on their own.

I have a cousin who is a bio-medical, radiation engineer who works for a nuclear power plant. Smart man with a smart wife who went through college to become an elementary teacher. When they had a child she stayed at home and they decided to homeschool. Of course they were successful and the child is bright and good at everything but math. This is one of two successful cases of homeschooling that I am familar. I know of a vast number of cases that were far less than successful.......and again, I hate to say it, but the unsucessful cases are those of lower socio-economic status.

 

[OrnotBitwise]

[WARNING! Blithering, meaningless tangent ahead!]

I know that my warped little mind is odd. Okay, I get it. I absolutely cannot see the title of this thread without snickering though.

Ever hear of the medieval punishment called "breaking on the wheel?" Every time I see this thread, I get a mental image of some poor teacher having her neck broken over a video iPod set upon her desk. Usually one showing some gawdawful White Stripe video or something.

That is all. You may return to saving the world.

 

[LadyT]

To clarify: 1st time = swats, 2nd time (in the 9 week period) = suspension
The suspension is for 2 days and any further offenses of any kind will result in one week and any offenses after that they are deemed a "problem student" and expelled.

To answer the last question you asked, yes we are. The parents have to option of signing their kids out of corporal punishment but very few do (mostly move ins) and most, in fact, highly recommend that we use it. Like I said, we are very rural. For most of these kids, if they get swats at school they get it again at home.

It doesn't happen often though. I have only paddled 2 kids all year and next week is our last week of school. The kids learn the limits and most of them try not to go beyond them. It doesn't matter whether it is out of fear of punishment or out of simple respect for the teacher (most of the time this is the case) my classrooms are quiet and my lessons are structured and my day is organized and runs smoothly more than 90 percent of the time.

Well, it seems to be working, so I can't really protest it too much. To each his own.

 

[Damocles]

I can tell you damo, this is unique your circle of peers. (had to go back and correct, almost called you dano...sorry ) When you step down in social status and see the reasons for homeschooling which I mentioned in the post above that is used by many of these folks, it gets really scary and one wonders how these kids will be able to succeed when they are on their own.

I have a cousin who is a bio-medical, radiation engineer who works for a nuclear power plant. Smart man with a smart wife who went through college to become an elementary teacher. When they had a child she stayed at home and they decided to homeschool. Of course they were successful and the child is bright and good at everything but math. This is one of two successful cases of homeschooling that I am familar. I know of a vast number of cases that were far less than successful.......and again, I hate to say it, but the unsucessful cases are those of lower socio-economic status.

Why should my circle of peers be punished by making a compulsory system of education for those who are homeschooling? Why must one-size-fits-all be applied in every circumstance of life?

Seriously. This is just one more example of that disconnect I was talking about with Cypress.

 

[leaningright]

Well, it seems to be working, so I can't really protest it too much. To each his own.

I will say this:

It would not work without the support of the parents and the community.

 

[LadyT]

Why should my circle of peers be punished by making a compulsory system of education for those who are homeschooling? Why must one-size-fits-all be applied in every circumstance of life?

Seriously. This is just one more example of that disconnect I was talking about with Cypress.

So hte rules for people should be different?

 

[leaningright]

Why should my circle of peers be punished by making a compulsory system of education for those who are homeschooling? Why must one-size-fits-all be applied in every circumstance of life?

Seriously. This is just one more example of that disconnect I was talking about with Cypress.

No, no Damo, I think you misunderstand me. I am in no way against all homeschooling. Given the right circumstances and geographical location I would do it for my kid myself.

I am for monitoring and standards that will show that the child is performing at least up to the norms of public school kids.

You won't believe the number of previously home schooled kids I have had come to public school, usually as the result of a divorce, that were sorely behind. I just want them to make sure they're up to par.

 

[LadyT]

No, no Damo, I think you misunderstand me. I am in no way against all homeschooling. Given the right circumstances and geographical location I would do it for my kid myself.

I am for monitoring and standards that will show that the child is performing at least up to the norms of public school kids.

You won't believe the number of previously home schooled kids I have had come to public school, usually as the result of a divorce, that were sorely behind. I just want them to make sure they're up to par.

This is why I think requiring the local public school to monitor core subjects is a good idea. Parent's can add to their curriculum if they want to, however at least we know the basics will be covered.

 

[Damocles]

So hte rules for people should be different?

Individual situations call for different actions. The entire world does not run on such a basis as this. Once again, why must one group be punished for ineptitude in another group?

 

[Damocles]

No, no Damo, I think you misunderstand me. I am in no way against all homeschooling. Given the right circumstances and geographical location I would do it for my kid myself.

I am for monitoring and standards that will show that the child is performing at least up to the norms of public school kids.

You won't believe the number of previously home schooled kids I have had come to public school, usually as the result of a divorce, that were sorely behind. I just want them to make sure they're up to par.

I was speaking to LadyT and her assertion that such a system that is an option in CO should be applied as a blanket solution to all people who would home school because some of them fail. Instead of rewarding those who excel we must make them follow some "core curriculum" and force them to use a system that may be unnecessary.

 

[LadyT]

Individual situations call for different actions. The entire world does not run on such a basis as this. Once again, why must one group be punished for ineptitude in another group?

Monitoring these kids progress hardly constitutes as punishment. Having a teacher go over the work and making sure it at the very least in line with what others in their grade are studying is beyond fair.

 

[LadyT]

I was speaking to LadyT and her assertion that such a system that is an option in CO should be applied as a blanket solution to all people who would home school because some of them fail. Instead of rewarding those who excel we must make them follow some "core curriculum" and force them to use a system that may be unnecessary.

If they are going to get credit for passing Algebra, why is it so bad that they take a test that's graded by a teacher?

 

[Damocles]

Monitoring these kids progress hardly constitutes as punishment. Having a teacher go over the work and making sure it at the very least in line with what others in their grade are studying is beyond fair.

You said it should be compulsory that those who home school use the system that is an option to parents in CO. This would mean that those who excel must use that same curricula, the same system, be required to do what the others are doing, and all because some few fail.

This wasn't a "monitor" thing, it was a "parents shouldn't be allowed" type of thing.

I like that option, and would use it if it ever became necessary to home school my children, but do not believe it should be compulsory.

 

[Damocles]

If they are going to get credit for passing Algebra, why is it so bad that they take a test that's graded by a teacher?

Once again, the option as I presented it is not the same as only taking test that may be graded by a teacher. It was a school that is online with a core curricula that can be accessed over the internet. You said it should be compulsory to all parents who home school. I believe that it unnecessarily punishes some parents who are excellent teachers that home school without such.

I do not believe that we must apply a one-size fits all mentality to education and that viable options should be presented.

I have no issue testing a child to see if they truly deserve the diploma, that is an entirely different can of beans.

 

[LadyT]

You said it should be compulsory that those who home school use the system that is an option to parents in CO. This would mean that those who excel must use that same curricula, the same system, be required to do what the others are doing, and all because some few fail.

Should my son or daughter not have to take standardized tests because they are doing well in school?

Parents can still teach their kids what they want to, however there should be basics and if they want for particular course there should be oversight into what they are learning period.

 

[Damocles]

Should my son or daughter not have to take standardized tests because they are doing well in school?

Parents can still teach their kids what they want to, however there should be basics and if they want for particular course there should be oversight into what they are learning period.

Once again, what I described is different than a standardized test. You are applying something that does not equate to standardized testing. Basically you are saying that all students who are home schooled must be taught by this particular public school rather than be home schooled, regardless of their abilities or the abilities of the parents to successfully home school their children. And all because some students fail in home schooling.

In many places some students fail in the public school system, it doesn't seem you want to apply this to them. What makes it so that we should apply it to all the home schooled children rather than those who do not do well on the tests?

 

[Litmus]

Should my son or daughter not have to take standardized tests because they are doing well in school?

Parents can still teach their kids what they want to, however there should be basics and if they want for particular course there should be oversight into what they are learning period.

You just want to be sure you can still fill up their heads with your liberal crap.

Should homosexual advocacy be a mandator part of the home school curriculum? I want to know what your opinion is.

 

[LadyT]

Once again, what I described is different than a standardized test. You are applying something that does not equate to standardized testing. Basically you are saying that all students who are home schooled must be taught by this particular public school rather than be home schooled, regardless of their abilities or the abilities of the parents to successfully home school their children. And all because some students fail in home schooling.

In many places some students fail in the public school system, it doesn't seem you want to apply this to them. What makes it so that we should apply it to all the home schooled children rather than those who do not do well on the tests?

It doens't have to be a particular regional school. The curriculum could come from a state body set up for homeschoolers. If they are going to get a diploma and get credit for particular courses, I do think there should be oversight and standardization. I just don't think there really shouldn't be much subjectivity left to people who are not trained as teachers. You can play the persecuted devils advocate all you want, but you're not going to convince me that standardizing their subjects and adding oversight is punishing them.

Also, i'm not saying they can't be homeschooled, I'm saying if are going to be homeschooled and their parents are going to act as their teachers, then this is what they are minimally required to teach.........

 

[OrnotBitwise]

You just want to be sure you can still fill up their heads with your liberal crap.

Should homosexual advocacy be a mandator part of the home school curriculum? I want to know what your opinion is.

Define "advocacy" in this context.

Not that you will, I just thought I'd point out the first and most obvious hole in your undoubtedly tedious argument.