The Big Liar

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch,

You and I aren't discussing "vaccination mandates". We're discussing your belief that a person can be held down and vaccinated against their will.

I'm saying "no, they can't" and "It would be wrong to do so".

I don't know where you got the idea that I said people could be held down and vaccinated against their will. I never said that.

It appears that my position has been turned into a straw man.

I have routinely stated that a vaccine mandate passes Constitutional muster as established by Supreme Court precedent.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Dutch,

I don't know where you got the idea that I said people could be held down and vaccinated against their will. I never said that.

Seems you did:

We simply need to get as many people vaccinated as possible. Nobody has any Constitutional right to refuse to be vaccinated. There is simply nothing in the Constitution which gives them that specific right. The Supreme Court ruled that the individual right to freedom does not give an individual the right to endanger the freedom of others to live and be free of the threat of preventable disease.

If a State creates a vaccine mandate then everyone must comply.

You can recant or rephrase, but there's no denying you posted it, sir.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You're a freaky dude, pervert.

 

[Truth Detector]

You're a freaky dude, pervert.

Projection
Projection is the process of displacing one’s feelings onto a different person, animal, or object. The term is most commonly used to describe defensive projection—attributing one’s own unacceptable urges to another. For example, if someone continuously bullies and ridicules a peer about his insecurities, the bully might be projecting his own struggle with self-esteem onto the other person.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You're a fucking moron who doesn't even have a key to his own exit, dipshit.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch,

Seems you did:You can recant or rephrase, but there's no denying you posted it, sir.

I stand behind what I said.

I do not stand behind the rephrasing when what I said was rephrased.

I did not say people could be held down and vaccinated against their will. That was a rephrasing that I do not own.

People can bend their will to accepting a mandate or they can refuse and face the consequences. Vaccine mandates carry the backing of a Supreme Court decision.

 

[Truth Detector]

You're a fucking moron who doesn't even have a key to his own exit, dipshit.

Projection
Projection is the process of displacing one’s feelings onto a different person, animal, or object. The term is most commonly used to describe defensive projection—attributing one’s own unacceptable urges to another. For example, if someone continuously bullies and ridicules a peer about his insecurities, the bully might be projecting his own struggle with self-esteem onto the other person.

 

[Truth Detector]

Vaccine mandates carry the backing of a Supreme Court decision.

Citation required for this Supreme Court decision.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Dutch,



I stand behind what I said.

I do not stand behind the rephrasing when what I said was rephrased.

I did not say people could be held down and vaccinated against their will. That was a rephrasing that I do not own.

People can bend their will to accepting a mandate or they can refuse and face the consequences. Vaccine mandates carry the backing of a Supreme Court decision.

You said people can be forced to accept vaccinations.

What are the consequences? The Gulag? ReEducation Camps? Stripped of their children and voting rights?

You also said the Constitution gives us our rights. I disagree with that too.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

No key?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch,

You said people can be forced to accept vaccinations.

What are the consequences? The Gulag? ReEducation Camps? Stripped of their children and voting rights?

You also said the Constitution gives us our rights. I disagree with that too.

In the Jacobson case the defendant was fined five dollars for not getting vaccinated. That is what he brought the case over.

 

[Truth Detector]

No key?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Dutch,

In the Jacobson case the defendant was fined five dollars for not getting vaccinated. That is what he brought the case over.

And you support mandatory medical procedures against a person's will. I do not.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Dutch,

In the Jacobson case the defendant was fined five dollars for not getting vaccinated. That is what he brought the case over.

And you support mandatory medical procedures against a person's will. I do not.

At least we know the Tuskegee Syphilis experiment was legal.

Same for the CIA's Project MKUltra. The State can do whatever the State deems best for everyone.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch,

And you support mandatory medical procedures against a person's will. I do not.

That sounds like rephrasing things to make them sound more extreme.

At least we know the Tuskegee Syphilis experiment was legal.

Same for the CIA's Project MKUltra. The State can do whatever the State deems best for everyone.

Complete exaggeration.

I agree with the Supreme Court decision of 1905.

I would support it if our federal government issued a general vaccine mandate.

Sometimes the interest of the country has to come before the interest of the individual. A pandemic is such a case.

Have you been following the progress of the pandemic? You know I maintain the Corona Virus Peak Watch Thread.

I watch the numbers. I see the trend the pandemic is taking.

We just reached our second peak in the number of Active Cases at the beginning of October. And since then, our numbers have been falling. That's good. But the problem is we are not reducing the numbers very much. Sure, we saw the total reach a high point and then begin to drop, but the drop has not been very much. The peak was over 9.9 million cases but we can't even get it to drop below 9 million cases. We are staying up high. It's still over 9.2 million Active Cases going on.

We are not out of the woods.

That's not much of a recovery.

We have to get as many people vaccinated as possible. We have tried explaining the need. We have tried explaining the situation. We have tried explaining the consequences if we don't get enough people vaccinated.

But still, we do not have enough people vaccinated. People are not paying attention. Most people are not very well informed. They don't see the danger. They don't look at the numbers. Most people could not even tell you the names of their own representative or Senators. Or even tell you how many people represent their interest in Congress! The simply do not understand the situation nor the danger.

And there's something else about the numbers.

The world just bottomed out. The worldwide number of New Daily Cases just bottomed out and is on the rise again.

We are not getting this thing under control yet.

There is great danger to our citizens. And we do not know if a new stronger more resistant variant is coming.

We have to do whatever we can to fight this. If that includes mandatory vaccinations, then yes. I support that.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Dutch

That sounds like rephrasing things to make them sound more extreme.

Complete exaggeration....

Disagreed.

Let's say you are correct; every American can be forced to have a medical procedure upon the whim of the State.

What do you suggest is the penalty if they refuse?

 

[Matt Dillon]

Hello Dutch,



Good advice.

We are planting seeds and nurturing ideas.

We know that eventually we will have what we are talking about because it takes about 20 years for the right to get used to new ideas.

Unfortunately, we are out of time on the climate. That one issue, we have been planting seeds for decades and it is time to move forward. The right can thank us later for being right, putting up with their nonsense, and saving the human habitat.

And on the pandemic we have also been extremely patient. Same thing. We cannot wait any more. We have to get aggressive. We have to put mandates in place because the right is never coming around on that one either. And same deal, they can thank us later. The ones that survive, anyway.

The country will be a lot better off when we get more people voting for progress and fewer voting for being a stick in the mud.

Seig Heil, Dur Fuhrerwaffenstrudelen.

You gonna lead the charge, ClimateCovidNaziBoy?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch,

Disagreed.

Let's say you are correct; every American can be forced to have a medical procedure upon the whim of the State.

What do you suggest is the penalty if they refuse?

That would be up to the government to decide.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Dutch,

That would be up to the government to decide.

Please don't dodge; what do you think is a just penalty for a person who refuses to be vaccinated?

Let's say it's the same demographic we're seeing now; a middle-aged, middle-class Euro-American male, probably the father of two, maybe divorced or heading for divorce. He refuses to be vaccinated.

What should happen to him?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch,

Please don't dodge; what do you think is a just penalty for a person who refuses to be vaccinated?

Let's say it's the same demographic we're seeing now; a middle-aged, middle-class Euro-American male, probably the father of two, maybe divorced or heading for divorce. He refuses to be vaccinated.

What should happen to him?

Why is it so important to discuss that now? We already disagree that vaccines should be mandatory. You're going to oppose anything I say. I suppose the disagreement does keep the thread going. OK. A fine. That seems appropriate. That's what the 1095 Jacobson Case was over. They guy didn't want to pay a $5 fine for not getting vaccinated in the Smallpox pandemic.