The Big Liar

PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch,
Why is it so important to discuss that now? I guess a fine seems appropriate. That's what the 1095 Jacobson Case was over. They guy didn't want to pay a $5 fine for not getting vaccinated in the Smallpox pandemic.
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Because, when seeking to empower a state to take everything Americans have, I expect people should think through the consequences of their actions.

So, no vax, $5 fine. Got it. He doesn't pay. In fact he writes "FUCK YOU and the horse you rode in on" on the citation and mails it back.

That's it then, right? No further consequences? Maybe the IRS adds $5 to his tax bill?
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Because, when seeking to empower a state to take everything Americans have, I expect people should think through the consequences of their actions.

So, no vax, $5 fine. Got it. He doesn't pay. In fact he writes "FUCK YOU and the horse you rode in on" on the citation and mails it back.

That's it then, right? No further consequences? Maybe the IRS adds $5 to his tax bill?
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'take everything Americans have'

Total exaggeration. I never said that.

I simply do not recall ever advocating for the government to 'take everything Americans have.' New one on me!

If you can find a quote of me saying I think the government should be able to 'take everything Americans have' then I will answer for it.

But I never said that; so I don't own it.

Let's resolve this one dispute before we move on to your other point. I never said take everything.
 
PoliTalker said:

'take everything Americans have'

Total exaggeration. I never said that..
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When you say the State gives us our rights, what do you believe are the consequences if that were true?

What would happen in your scenario if the Republicans take Congress next year and Trump the WH in '24? Do you really want them telling us our rights?


Regardless, forcing people to do something is wrong. Persuading them to do something for the good of all is a noble effort.

PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch,

Good point about an airliner emergency exit.

Nobody needs to 'be stripped of their rights.'

We simply need to get as many people vaccinated as possible. Nobody has any Constitutional right to refuse to be vaccinated. There is simply nothing in the Constitution which gives them that specific right. The Supreme Court ruled that the individual right to freedom does not give an individual the right to endanger the freedom of others to live and be free of the threat of preventable disease.

If a State creates a vaccine mandate then everyone must comply.
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Hello Dutch,

Dutch Uncle said:
When you say the State gives us our rights, what do you believe are the consequences if that were true?

What would happen in your scenario if the Republicans take Congress next year and Trump the WH in '24? Do you really want them telling us our rights?


Regardless, forcing people to do something is wrong. Persuading them to do something for the good of all is a noble effort.
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It has to go beyond persuasion and into imposing consequences.

We tried persuasion. It has been effective but not enough. We need more people vaccinated. We can't allow the virus to keep killing people and do nothing.

If people want to believe BS, that is on them. Resisting a public health order is more than a personal choice. It puts others at risk we cannot allow that.

I support vaccine mandates.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch,



It has to go beyond persuasion and into imposing consequences.

We tried persuasion. It has been effective but not enough. We need more people vaccinated. We can't allow the virus to keep killing people and do nothing.

If people want to believe BS, that is on them. Resisting a public health order is more than a personal choice. It puts others at risk we cannot allow that.

I support vaccine mandates.
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I support the mandates too but how does that justify forcing a person to be vaccinated under pain of becoming a criminal?
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch,



People who endanger the public face legal action from the State.

As they should.
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I agree. How does that justify supporting the Federal government to come into their homes and force them to have a vaccination?
 
Truth Detector said:
The BIG liar is Joe Biden. The claim that the 2020 elections weren't fraught with fraud and massive incompetence can only be made in a vacuum of reality and the truth.

Mail in balloting is the single worst and greatest threat to election integrity in our lifetimes. Only the Fascistic Democratic Party of Laying Jackasses supports this type of un-secure type of election fraud is because they think they can win with it....which is basically how they pulled a decrepit, senile, unaccomplished, lying dumbass like Biden across the finish line.

Biden couldn't fill an auditorium with supporters. Trump brought in thousands. The notion that Trump could get 11,237,852 more votes than his first win and still lose requires the willing suspension of common sense.

The notion that Biden bested the far more popular Obama by 11,784,582 votes requires the suspension of common sense.

I find it difficult to believe that a election turnout for Obama was 57.1% and 9.2% lower than this election at 66.3%. That's the highest turnout for a boring candidate in the history of the Republic.
Turnout increased in every state and in 98 percent of the nation’s counties.

Yes indeed; it was the Biden Miracle. A guy who couldn't remember what office he was running for, stammers his way through his speeches and couldn't fill an auditorium did far better than anyone in the history of the Republic.
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Being able to "fill an auditorium" is a silly way to predict voter support. Biden won with 52% exactly like the final polls showed. He won because his competition proved untrustworthy and unwilling to uphold his oath to support the Constitution.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch,



Why is it so important to discuss that now? We already disagree that vaccines should be mandatory. You're going to oppose anything I say. I suppose the disagreement does keep the thread going. OK. A fine. That seems appropriate. That's what the 1095 Jacobson Case was over. They guy didn't want to pay a $5 fine for not getting vaccinated in the Smallpox pandemic.
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Unconstitutional. Paradox V.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch,



It has to go beyond persuasion and into imposing consequences.

We tried persuasion. It has been effective but not enough. We need more people vaccinated. We can't allow the virus to keep killing people and do nothing.

If people want to believe BS, that is on them. Resisting a public health order is more than a personal choice. It puts others at risk we cannot allow that.

I support vaccine mandates.
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Unconstitutional. Paradox V.
 
Flash said:
Being able to "fill an auditorium" is a silly way to predict voter support. Biden won with 52% exactly like the final polls showed. He won because his competition proved untrustworthy and unwilling to uphold his oath to support the Constitution.
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You deny the Constitution of the United States. So does Biden. So do Democrats.

There was no election in 2020. The election faulted due to election fraud by Democrats.

Trump DOES uphold the Constitution of the United States.
 
Truth Detector said:
The BIG liar is Joe Biden. The claim that the 2020 elections weren't fraught with fraud and massive incompetence can only be made in a vacuum of reality and the truth.

Mail in balloting is the single worst and greatest threat to election integrity in our lifetimes. Only the Fascistic Democratic Party of Laying Jackasses supports this type of un-secure type of election fraud is because they think they can win with it....which is basically how they pulled a decrepit, senile, unaccomplished, lying dumbass like Biden across the finish line.

Biden couldn't fill an auditorium with supporters. Trump brought in thousands. The notion that Trump could get 11,237,852 more votes than his first win and still lose requires the willing suspension of common sense.

The notion that Biden bested the far more popular Obama by 11,784,582 votes requires the suspension of common sense.

I find it difficult to believe that a election turnout for Obama was 57.1% and 9.2% lower than this election at 66.3%. That's the highest turnout for a boring candidate in the history of the Republic.
Turnout increased in every state and in 98 percent of the nation’s counties.

Yes indeed; it was the Biden Miracle. A guy who couldn't remember what office he was running for, stammers his way through his speeches and couldn't fill an auditorium did far better than anyone in the history of the Republic.

:smh:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...voter-turnout/
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And trump and his ass hat claims were laughed out of every court in the country, including the supreme court
 
Nordberg said:
" Promote the general welfare" is in the preamble. That is the constitution.
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Correct.

Now explain how that means a Vax Squad can bust down the doors of a non-compliant family and force all of them to be injected with whatever the State deems is good for them. That's what's being discussed here.

I do support "my body, my choice" be it vaccinations, abortions or suicide. I also support the right of others to protect themselves from disease-infected idiots.
 
Flash said:
Being able to "fill an auditorium" is a silly way to predict voter support.
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Voter enthusiasm is a GREAT way to predict voter support dumbass. :palm:

Flash said:
Biden won with 52% exactly like the final polls showed. He won because his competition proved untrustworthy and unwilling to uphold his oath to support the Constitution.
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^Dimwitted wonder dunce believes in the Biden miracle. Meanwhile, every voter system in the world does not believe that voting by mail is secure and not fraudulent prone. dumbass.
 
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