The Official Debate Championship Shit Talking Thread!

GOD OF DEBATE said:
Of course I knew that putting it at birth made arguing a lot harder. Nothing developmentally important happens at birth. It's pretty much impossible to logically argue it from a standpoint of anything other than an arbitrary point. I don't really find arbitrariness where arbitrariness is necessary that horrifying, but I should've tried to see things from the viewpoint of an ignorant prole.
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Actually a number of things happen at birth. For example, blood flow starts to change direction. Certain veins atrophy and become cords which hold organs in place. Should such major changes happen at any other time during a person's life they would definitely pose a problem, most likely leading to death.

As for birth being an arbitrary point I completely disagree. It is a time when the fetus/child/organism/whatever becomes individual, separate from another body and our customs and beliefs and laws and Rights and everything else we associate with a human being are based on that very thing.

Our individual-ness is the corner stone to the functioning of society. It is the reality upon which everything is based. I see nothing arbitrary about it.
 
apple0154 said:
Actually a number of things happen at birth. For example, blood flow starts to change direction. Certain veins atrophy and become cords which hold organs in place. Should such major changes happen at any other time during a person's life they would definitely pose a problem, most likely leading to death.

As for birth being an arbitrary point I completely disagree. It is a time when the fetus/child/organism/whatever becomes individual, separate from another body and our customs and beliefs and laws and Rights and everything else we associate with a human being are based on that very thing.

Our individual-ness is the corner stone to the functioning of society. It is the reality upon which everything is based. I see nothing arbitrary about it.
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Our neurology is more important than any of that.
 
Ask this guy, he's a neurologist:

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GOD OF DEBATE said:
Our neurology is more important than any of that.
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Then we have to scrap a lot of laws/beliefs such as the fetus is always expendable if a woman has a faulty body. Surely we can not justify killing an innocent human being because of the faulty body of another unless we devalue all human beings.

Surely we can not sanction abortion due to rape. Killing an innocent human being because of the way he came into this life?

Classifying a fetus/embryo/zygote as a human being means we either insist a woman maintain a pregnancy regardless of possible injury and force women who were raped to bear a child or we devalue the life of every other human being.

Of course we can always make exceptions. Some human beings will be considered a little less human, a little less valuable. If I recall correctly when we went down that road before we had slavery and world wars.
 
apple0154 said:
Then we have to scrap a lot of laws/beliefs such as the fetus is always expendable if a woman has a faulty body. Surely we can not justify killing an innocent human being because of the faulty body of another unless we devalue all human beings.

Surely we can not sanction abortion due to rape. Killing an innocent human being because of the way he came into this life?

Classifying a fetus/embryo/zygote as a human being means we either insist a woman maintain a pregnancy regardless of possible injury and force women who were raped to bear a child or we devalue the life of every other human being.

Of course we can always make exceptions. Some human beings will be considered a little less human, a little less valuable. If I recall correctly when we went down that road before we had slavery and world wars.
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O_o

What? Who are you talking to?
 
Summar of debate:

Mott goes off on random tangeant. WM utterly annihlates him. Mott responds with a reduction ad hitlerum that isn't even barely supported by anything I said (human life starts at birth, therefore, JEWS!). Judges swoon. Then Mott suddenly starts confusing the ethics and the biology of human life. Imposter judges: Good job mott!

All three of you are sentenced to death by the socialist courts. I am the new judge of the JPP Debates because of your proven incompetence.
 
Mott's topics have been replaced by these new ones:

Why is Watermark awesome?
Why is liberalism better than conservatism?
Why do conservatives all deserve to be purged?

I'll think up more later.
 
GOD OF DEBATE said:
Summar of debate:

Mott goes off on random tangeant. WM utterly annihlates him. Mott responds with a reduction ad hitlerum that isn't even barely supported by anything I said (human life starts at birth, therefore, JEWS!). Judges swoon. Then Mott suddenly starts confusing the ethics and the biology of human life. Imposter judges: Good job mott!

All three of you are sentenced to death by the socialist courts. I am the new judge of the JPP Debates because of your proven incompetence.
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you do realize you got 4 points. for all you know one of us judges could have voted for you down the board O_o
 
Rar Im a Dinosaur! said:
you do realize you got 4 points. for all you know one of us judges could have voted for you down the board O_o
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It does not matter. It was clearly done in careful collaboration with capitalist forces. Can't you see that? That's why I have to form my own panel that is certainly clear of conservative/capitalist forces, and the only person in the universe with the vision and integrity to be trusted is msyelf.

Watermark! America's Lenin!
 
GOD OF DEBATE said:
Licking your wounds Mott?

Hey, better luck next time. Maybe you won't have to come up against me. :lmao:
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UH; there is no next time for you.
You're done, toast, finished, wipped like the family pig, etc.

The only next time, will be if a completely different set of debates are started; some time in the future.
 
apple0154 said:
Actually a number of things happen at birth. For example, blood flow starts to change direction. Certain veins atrophy and become cords which hold organs in place. Should such major changes happen at any other time during a person's life they would definitely pose a problem, most likely leading to death.

As for birth being an arbitrary point I completely disagree. It is a time when the fetus/child/organism/whatever becomes individual, separate from another body and our customs and beliefs and laws and Rights and everything else we associate with a human being are based on that very thing.

Our individual-ness is the corner stone to the functioning of society. It is the reality upon which everything is based. I see nothing arbitrary about it.
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Combining brain function AND birth though is an arbitrary point. An Inconsistent one too.
 
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