The Trinity

[BidenPresident]

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that stupid picture earns you ignore

 

[Cypress]

Here’s the deal for me, doc. I don’t live in a country where there are significant numbers of those others. I wasn’t fed Mohammed or Passover as a child. I was fed Baby Jesus and Christmas plays, the Easter story, and we recited the Lord’s Prayer. They handed out miniature Bibles. I still have one.

That’s the difference

That makes a certain amount of sense.

But the War on Terror caused all internet posters to learn more about Islam. Conservatives constantly posted cherry picked quotes from Qur'an or Hadith to paint Islam in the worst possible light. Liberals tended to defend the Islamic faith against attempts to smear it. Sharia law literally became a campaign issue. We all learned more about Sunnis, Shiites, Wahhabism.

Every time we discuss or complain about the Old Testament (which happens surprisingly frequently) we are discussing Judaism and their sacred scripture.

A focus on Christianity certainly makes sense. But the other Abrahamic religions have certainly been major topics on this and other internet forums.

 

[domer76]

So, like the MAGAts, you only see what's in your yard, not the world at large. Got it. Thanks for the insight, domer.

In 1989, I'd already experienced four deployments; two in WestPac, one to the Med and the ME, one around Cape Horn from Philly to San Diego. In the previous 10 years, I'd gained a foundation of knowledge of foreign cultures, both friendly and hostile. While on shore duty for two years, I elected to attend night classes at Hurlburt AFB for a MS in International Relations. The majority of the classes were with the USSR and the Warsaw Pac, but the cracks were already showing in the Soviet empire. Desiring to break out of the pack, I focused on the two areas where I thought the next conflicts would be: South America and the Middle East. I learned a lot about the Spanish version of colonialism versus the Northern Euro version and about Islam.

When reading atheists whining about Christianity, I know most of them are speaking from ignorance. All they know is Christianity and they have no desire to know anything different. That's the difference, domer.

I really have no desire nor time to learn, in depth, the however hundreds (or more) religions in the world. For the purposes of this forum, I don’t see the Buddhists, Muslims, Daoists or others telling me I’ll go to hell because I mock their god or laugh at them when they call me a Satanist.

As far as I’m concerned, all the Abrahamic religions are fucked up. Now, if I were fed a line of bullshit from the Jews or Muslims all my life, that would probably affect my world view. But I wasn’t. Baby Jesus. Virgin Mary. Oh Little Town of Bethlehem. No Korans handed out in grade school. Just Bibles.

You know who affects legislation in my state? Christians, motherfucker. Conservative Christians. And Mormons. And we see conservative Christians driving legislation nationally. Abortion. Aid to Israel. Book banning. Anti-gay and anti-trans bullshit.

It’s fucking sad that has to be explained to you.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I really have no desire nor time to learn, in depth, the however hundreds (or more) religions in the world. For the purposes of this forum, I don’t see the Buddhists, Muslims, Daoists or others telling me I’ll go to hell because I mock their god or laugh at them when they call me a Satanist.

As far as I’m concerned, all the Abrahamic religions are fucked up. Now, if I were fed a line of bullshit from the Jews or Muslims all my life, that would probably affect my world view. But I wasn’t. Baby Jesus. Virgin Mary. Oh Little Town of Bethlehem. No Korans handed out in grade school. Just Bibles.

You know who affects legislation in my state? Christians, motherfucker. Conservative Christians. And Mormons. And we see conservative Christians driving legislation nationally. Abortion. Aid to Israel. Book banning. Anti-gay and anti-trans bullshit.

It’s fucking sad that has to be explained to you.

Your admission that you only want to attack Christianity and not learn about other religions is interesting, domer. Expected, but still interesting.

No doubt that's exactly what you think, despite your ignorance of other religions.

Your angry vitriol is towards me, who is non-religious, is indicative of someone who simply lashes out and abuses whomever is closest without a regard to guilt, innocence, religiosity or anything other than your own feelings.

You think explaining your feelings and hatred should be obvious to all, domer? That's not rational, son.

 

[domer76]

Your admission that you only want to attack Christianity and not learn about other religions is interesting, domer. Expected, but still interesting.

No doubt that's exactly what you think, despite your ignorance of other religions.

Your angry vitriol is towards me, who is non-religious, is indicative of someone who simply lashes out and abuses whomever is closest without a regard to guilt, innocence, religiosity or anything other than your own feelings.

You think explaining your feelings and hatred should be obvious to all, domer? That's not rational, son.

Nope, dumbfuck, I made no such admission. Try a remedial reading course.

Try not to be here professing your in-depth knowledge of the world’s religions, Jethro. We know better.

My vitriol towards you? You give yourself too much credit, Doris. Vitriol is reserved for something I give a fuck about. You’re not on the list, Frodo.

And my feelings? Don’t use plural, Nancy. I just have one feeling and, unlike yours, it never gets hurt.

 

[Kafka]

I think anyone genuinely interested in religion is going to make a modest effort to learn about Asian religions and the other Abrahamic religions.

Good idea. One should always know that which one is discussing. It would also help if believers of any and all faiths understood atheism.

I would also say at least 80 percent of complaints about Christianity revolve around things written in the Old Testament. The Old Testament, aka TaNaKh is Jewish scripture, and I think one should make an effort to understand the Jewish interpretation of TaNaKh by reading the Talmud, or reading Jewish scholars.

And one should listen to atheists and what they think before simply dismissing them as well.

Making efforts to understand each other is the bare minimum required.

 

[Cypress]

this is why Christians pay no attention when atheists tell us what we believe......

Before you start patting yourself on the back for years of study at some little bible college, let's remember that you didn't even know Baptists and Pentecostals are considered Protestant denominations:

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...ward-Christian-soldiers&p=5840791#post5840791

We often find that well read agnostics know more about Christianity than self professed Christians do

 

[IBDaMann]

[The Trinity is] not an OT concept, either.

All religions had a trinity concept of sorts, as though it were some sort of official requirement for a religion.

* Hindus had/have the trinity concept of creation (Brahma), destruction (Shiva) and maintenance/preservation of that which is (Vishnu).
* Celtics had the Triqueta, that is without beginning or end, and represents (re)birth, life, death (repeat) ...
* Buddhism had/has the Triratna, the trinity of Buddha, dharma, and sangha, i.e. the threefold refuge, the three treasures, the three jewels, the triple gem, ... Vegas should make a series of slot machines based on the concept.
* Judaism's trinity was/is God the Creator, God that is the law and the covenant and God the spirit that is with us
* Christianity's trinity was/is God the Father/creator, God the son that is the new law and covenant, and God the Holy Spirit who is with us.

 

[Cypress]

Good idea. One should always know that which one is discussing. It would also help if believers of any and all faiths understood atheism.



And one should listen to atheists and what they think before simply dismissing them as well.

Making efforts to understand each other is the bare minimum required.

What is there to understand?

Unlike Stoicism, Existentialism, Buddhism, Epicureanism, Transcendentalism, Christianity, Islam, or Taoism, atheism doesn't have a fixed philosophy, set of canonical writings, or prescribed set of practices.

It's just people from various backgrounds and from all walks of life who don't believe in any religion, deities, or transcendental meaning to our existence

 

[IBDaMann]

It would also help if believers of any and all faiths understood atheism.

Do you believe in Global Warming?

And one should listen to atheists and what they think before simply dismissing them as well.

I'm an atheist. I might be JPP's only atheist. Is that why you dismiss me outright?

Making efforts to understand each other is the bare minimum required.

Were you planning on doing this as well?

Do you believe in Climate Change?

 

[IBDaMann]

What is there to understand?

You would benefit by acknowledging the meaning of the word "atheism", i.e. lack of theism, vs. the bogus definition you try to impose, i.e. militant theism. I realize that I went a bit too fast for you, but you stand to gain a lot, intellectually, and to lose a great deal of your general confusion, by abandoning your attempts to assign bogus positions to others.

atheism doesn't have a fixed philosophy, set of canonical writings, or prescribed set of practices.

Neither does peanut butter. Nonetheless, I don't see you trying equally as hard to label peanut butter as militant theism.

 

[Kafka]

What is there to understand?

You'd be surprised. I'm constantly insulted by being told what my thoughts are on atheism (usually it is because they don't understand atheism per se), I've been called "militant" simply because I question the theology. I"ve been told I'm actually an agnostic despite my explanations. I've been told my lack of belief is a belief. The list goes on.

You'd think it was pretty simple and straightforward but it is actually a bit more complex.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Nope, dumbfuck, I made no such admission. Try a remedial reading course.

Try not to be here professing your in-depth knowledge of the world’s religions, Jethro. We know better.

My vitriol towards you? You give yourself too much credit, Doris. Vitriol is reserved for something I give a fuck about. You’re not on the list, Frodo.

And my feelings? Don’t use plural, Nancy. I just have one feeling and, unlike yours, it never gets hurt.

Your tough guy routine indicates differently, domer. We can disagree about your ability to take responsibility for your own actions.

I'm always interested in people who seek to bolslter their arguments with "We" and "us".

People can decide for themselves.

Yes, your feelings, domer. I think you are very hurt and are afraid to admit it.

 

[Cypress]

That’s understandable in those days. But, this is the 21st century and we know that prophecy is nothing more than superstition. Why the need to hang on to those myths today?

Jefferson cut out the parts of the bible he thought we irrational. That's one option

On message boards we irreligious posters tend to think Noah's ark, the Virgin birth, Jonah and the great fish are enormously important, and that christians are dupes for believing it

Outside the fundamentalist community, I don't know any Christians who think those stories are enormously important to being a Christian, or even they literally true facts of history.

I think what one is supposed to get out of the New Testament as a mainstream Christian is a way of living a certain kind of life, a way of participating in a certain kind of community, and a certain kind of way of experiencing the divine.

 

[Cypress]

You'd be surprised. I'm constantly insulted by being told what my thoughts are on atheism (usually it is because they don't understand atheism per se), I've been called "militant" simply because I question the theology. I"ve been told I'm actually an agnostic despite my explanations. I've been told my lack of belief is a belief. The list goes on.

You'd think it was pretty simple and straightforward but it is actually a bit more complex.

I'm not that interested in what one individual christian's or individual atheist's thoughts are on a personal level as it applies to their life. I tend to steer the discussion to broader questions of theology, religious philosophy, and religious history.

Somebody tells me they are Taoist, or that Stoicism appeals to them, that tells me tangible information about their belief system and global outlook.

Somebody tells me they atheist, that tells me very little about them. It's just denotes a lack of belief, and it doesn't carry with it any fixed philosophy or doctrine..

 

[Cypress]

You would benefit by acknowledging the meaning of the word "atheism", i.e. lack of theism, vs. the bogus definition you try to impose, i.e. militant theism. I realize that I went a bit too fast for you, but you stand to gain a lot, intellectually, and to lose a great deal of your general confusion, by abandoning your attempts to assign bogus positions to others.


Neither does peanut butter. Nonetheless, I don't see you trying equally as hard to label peanut butter as militant theism.

How much crack have you done today?

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Darwin's theory of evolution is not science

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hint: energy and matter are not interchangeable

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Wave-Particle duality is classical physics.

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There is no such thing as an accelerating reference frame!!

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What do you mean by "the standard model"?

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science doesn't explain anything about nature!

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[Dutch Uncle]

How much crack have you done today?...

I'm guessing Sybil doesn't do crack. He's "high on life".

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Of course he wasn’t born in Bethlehem, Buford. Your gospel writers needed him to be to fulfill OT prophecy.

But, you are unable to either grasp it or accept it. Which is it?

it is sad when people who know jack-shit pretend otherwise.......every post you make proves why there is no point discussing Christianity with atheists.......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Before you start patting yourself on the back for years of study at some little bible college, let's remember that you didn't even know Baptists and Pentecostals are considered Protestant denominations:

thats an incredibly stupid comment.....who told you that lie and why were you stupid enough to believe it?......or is it simply because you lack knowledge of the history of the Reformation......the Baptist church split from the other protestant churches a hundred years after the reformation.......never did I say they weren't Protestant denomination......

 

[Dutch Uncle]

thats an incredibly stupid comment.....who told you that lie and why were you stupid enough to believe it?......or is it simply because you lack knowledge of the history of the Reformation......the Baptist church split from the other protestant churches a hundred years after the reformation.......never did I say they weren't Protestant denomination......

Looks factual to me, minion.

doesn't make any sense......all three of those churches were started hundreds of years after the Reformation.....and in the case of the Baptists and Pentacostals were started by people who condemned the Protestants as unbelievers.....

^^ Yet another 'Christian' who doesn't even understand his own religion.

Encyclopedia Brittanica

Baptist, member of a group of Protestant Christians who share the basic beliefs of most Protestants but who insist that only believers should be baptized and that it should be done by immersion rather than by the sprinkling or pouring of water. (This view, however, is shared by others who are not Baptists.)


Encyclopedia Britannica

Pentecostalism , charismatic religious movement that gave rise to a number of Protestant churches in the United States in the 20th century

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Baptist
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Pentecostalism

Ouch! Cypress spanks the minion of Satan. LOL