The Trinity

[domer76]

Your tough guy routine indicates differently, domer. We can disagree about your ability to take responsibility for your own actions.

I'm always interested in people who seek to bolslter their arguments with "We" and "us".

People can decide for themselves.

Yes, your feelings, domer. I think you are very hurt and are afraid to admit it.

No tough guy here, Mona. Just another piece of human protoplasm getting along in this world and making a few comments about your persona here.

Doc, the number of people on this forum that think quite poorly of you numbers quite a few. You are probably on more ignore lists than most. I kinda like you for entertainment purposes, so we keep this banter. But, don’t mistake it for me really giving a fuck about you. You ain’t getting an invitation for Thanksgiving dinner!

Naw, doc, that one feeling I possess doesn’t get hurt. I don’t look outside myself for accolades or approval. Afraid? Other than heights and spiders, not much.

 

[domer76]

Jefferson cut out the parts of the bible he thought we irrational. That's one option

On message boards we irreligious posters tend to think Noah's ark, the Virgin birth, Jonah and the great fish are enormously important, and that christians are dupes for believing it

Outside the fundamentalist community, I don't know any Christians who think those stories are enormously important to being a Christian, or even they literally true facts of history.

I think what one is supposed to get out of the New Testament as a mainstream Christian is a way of living a certain kind of life, a way of participating in a certain kind of community, and a certain kind of way of experiencing the divine.

I agree with you on Noah or Jonah, but highly disagree on the Virgin birth. I attended Notre Dame and many of those fuckers are rabidly and devoutly bound to that belief. The name is “Our Mother” and the frikkin’ administration building has her golden statue on top. They believe with the entirety of their hearts, their minds, to the depths of their being. And there’s more than a few of them and there are many other Catholic institutions more conservative than ND. Worldwide, as well.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

No tough guy here, Mona. Just another piece of human protoplasm getting along in this world and making a few comments about your persona here.

Doc, the number of people on this forum that think quite poorly of you numbers quite a few. You are probably on more ignore lists than most. I kinda like you for entertainment purposes, so we keep this banter.

But, don’t mistake it for me really giving a fuck about you. You ain’t getting an invitation for Thanksgiving dinner!

Naw, doc, that one feeling I possess doesn’t get hurt. I don’t look outside myself for accolades or approval. Afraid? Other than heights and spiders, not much.

Honesty is good for the soul, son. Kudos.

The fact you believe you speak for others on this forum is interesting. Do you feel superior to them? Do you believe you are in charge?

You obviously give a fuck, domer.

Interesting claim, son.

 

[domer76]

it is sad when people who know jack-shit pretend otherwise.......every post you make proves why there is no point discussing Christianity with atheists.......

Tell us why he needed to be born in Bethlehem, pally boy. Why Joseph took a soon-to-deliver woman on a dangerous journey of that distance.

I’ll wait.

 

[domer76]

Honesty is good for the soul, son. Kudos.

The fact you believe you speak for others on this forum is interesting. Do you feel superior to them? Do you believe you are in charge?

You obviously give a fuck, domer.

Interesting claim, son.

I don’t speak for anybody, Doris. I merely read their responses to you. Not exactly adoring fabs out there, Barney. But I like you. You’re cute.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I don’t speak for anybody, Doris. I merely read their responses to you.

Not exactly adoring fabs out there, Barney. But I like you. You’re cute.

You claimed you did:

Doc, the number of people on this forum that think quite poorly of you numbers quite a few.

Do you believe you have mostly "adoring fabs", Barney?

 

[Cypress]

thats an incredibly stupid comment.....who told you that lie and why were you stupid enough to believe it?......or is it simply because you lack knowledge of the history of the Reformation......the Baptist church split from the other protestant churches a hundred years after the reformation.......never did I say they weren't Protestant denomination......

It's crystal clear you claimed Baptists weren't Protestants.

Baptists, Methodists, and Pentacostals are Protestants.

doesn't make any sense......

all three of those churches were started hundreds of years after the Reformation.....and in the case of the Baptists and Pentacostals were started by people who condemned the Protestants as unbelievers.....

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...ward-Christian-soldiers&p=5840593#post5840593

 

[Kafka]

Tell us why he needed to be born in Bethlehem, pally boy. Why Joseph took a soon-to-deliver woman on a dangerous journey of that distance.

I’ll wait.

Micah 5:2 apparently, in part.

 

[Kafka]

I'm not that interested in what one individual christian's or individual atheist's thoughts are on a personal level as it applies to their life. I tend to steer the discussion to broader questions of theology, religious philosophy, and religious history.

Same here. I'm less interested in personal faith journeys than I am the theology. I focus on Christianity because that is (1) what I was raised in and spend much of my life as; and (2) the dominant religion in the country I live in (USA) and plays an outsized role in civil affairs here.

Somebody tells me they atheist, that tells me very little about them. It's just denotes a lack of belief, and it doesn't carry with it any fixed philosophy or doctrine..

You'd think it would be that easy. But I've spent more time explaining how atheism works to people who think it's all just people who make the universal negative claim "There is no God". That's not defensible nor logical which is why I always distance myself from that.

I also never want to change a religious person's faith. I would never want to deconvert anyone. But I do like to discuss the issues in religion and theology....it's just that many believers are not keen to think too deeply about their dearly held beliefs. Any question of validity to the faith is a threat to the faith. Such is the power of faith that it can so seldom be defended the way it used to be back in tha day.

 

[domer76]

Same here. I'm less interested in personal faith journeys than I am the theology. I focus on Christianity because that is (1) what I was raised in and spend much of my life as; and (2) the dominant religion in the country I live in (USA) and plays an outsized role in civil affairs here.



You'd think it would be that easy. But I've spent more time explaining how atheism works to people who think it's all just people who make the universal negative claim "There is no God". That's not defensible nor logical which is why I always distance myself from that.

I also never want to change a religious person's faith. I would never want to deconvert anyone. But I do like to discuss the issues in religion and theology....it's just that many believers are not keen to think too deeply about their dearly held beliefs. Any question of validity to the faith is a threat to the faith. Such is the power of faith that it can so seldom be defended the way it used to be back in tha day.

I was listening to Ehrman last night and he explained why he describes himself as both an agnostic and an atheist.

Agnostic describes his knowledge. He simply doesn’t know if a god exists.
Atheist describes his belief. He simply doesn’t believe a god exists, as well.

No apologies. No militant attitude. Just “that’s the way it is for me.” It was an interesting podcast on why and how he deconverted from a fundamentalist, an evangelical, to a nonbeliever.

 

[domer76]

Micah 5:2 apparently, in part.

Yep. To fulfill prophecy, not because it actually happened.

The fact that Jesus was not the son of Joseph poses a problem. So does the notion that Joseph had to track his lineage back 1000 years is another.

1) As if he could
2) As if the Romans cared or could verify it.

 

[Goyboy]

This should be a good one for the Bible literalists to explain.

What is this Trinity thing? Is it polytheism or not? When did the NT authors come up with that concept and why? Wasn’t just a single god sufficient? What’s the need for three? Can’t one god handle all its responsibilities?

There are quite a few bizarre concepts in the Bible, but this one is near the top. May be number one!

I have a different take on the Trinnity to present.
God the Father is the All and through his Holy Spirit the intelligent force that permeates the universe he created man.
Man created by the Spirit of God and by God is the Son of God.
We are all sons and daughters of God.
I believe that the teachings of the man they call Jesus were both misconstrued and distorted by the writers of the New Testament.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Tell us why he needed to be born in Bethlehem, pally boy. Why Joseph took a soon-to-deliver woman on a dangerous journey of that distance.

I’ll wait.

you'll have an eternity to figure it out......you and Satan can share a good laugh over it.......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

It's crystal clear you claimed Baptists weren't Protestants.

sorry you can't read.....I pointed out that you failed to distinguish between the Baptists and the first protestant reformers.......the Baptists were a split from the protestant reformers a hundred years after the protestant reformation......you gnosts know shit about Christian theology.....

 

[domer76]

I have a different take on the Trinnity to present.
God the Father is the All and through his Holy Spirit the intelligent force that permeates the universe he created man.
Man created by the Spirit of God and by God is the Son of God.
We are all sons and daughters of God.
I believe that the teachings of the man they call Jesus were both misconstrued and distorted by the writers of the New Testament.

I don’t possess your belief in your god, but I certainly agree with your last statement.

 

[domer76]

you'll have an eternity to figure it out......you and Satan can share a good laugh over it.......

Yep, another dodge.

Remember folks, PMP says “If it says it in the Bible, it’s true.”

So much for the theory that nobody really believes the Bible is literally true. They are among us and they breed.

 

[Kafka]

you'll have an eternity to figure it out......you and Satan can share a good laugh over it.......

^^^^^this is why people find it hard to discuss religion with believers.

 

[Kafka]

It's crystal clear you claimed Baptists weren't Protestants.

To be fair, there are some Baptists who claim that Baptists are not protestants because of how they originated vs others of the nominal Protestant wing of the faith. A quick google search will show this to be the case.

For example:
https://www.wickedlocal.com/story/j...e-baptists-protestants-i-protest/64739218007/


Ultimately one has to leave it up to the believer to note which sect they belong to.


To be quite honest, I,too, thought it a simple matter that Baptists are Protestants but clearly some Baptists do NOT claim that.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

To be fair, there are some Baptists who claim that Baptists are not protestants because of how they originated vs others of the nominal Protestant wing of the faith. A quick google search will show this to be the case.

For example:
https://www.wickedlocal.com/story/j...e-baptists-protestants-i-protest/64739218007/


Ultimately one has to leave it up to the believer to note which sect they belong to.


To be quite honest, I,too, thought it a simple matter that Baptists are Protestants but clearly some Baptists do NOT claim that.

Judged by their actions in supporting Pedo Don, it appears Baptists are Satanists worshipping the Anti-Christ. No wonder Pmp likes them. Sad.

 

[Cypress]

To be fair, there are some Baptists who claim that Baptists are not protestants because of how they originated vs others of the nominal Protestant wing of the faith. A quick google search will show this to be the case.

For example:
https://www.wickedlocal.com/story/j...e-baptists-protestants-i-protest/64739218007/


Ultimately one has to leave it up to the believer to note which sect they belong to.


To be quite honest, I,too, thought it a simple matter that Baptists are Protestants but clearly some Baptists do NOT claim that.

"Some Protestants" also claim Catholics aren't Christians.

I'm not interested in what "some Baptists" say. What is important to me is what is widely believed and understood by theologians, religious historians, major Church leaders.

The link I provided (Encyclopedia Britannica) is also far superior in credibility than the link given here (wicked local.com)

Baptists, Methodists, and Pentacostals are Protestants.

doesn't make any sense......

all three of those churches were started hundreds of years after the Reformation.....and in the case of the Baptists and Pentacostals were started by people who condemned the Protestants as unbelievers.....

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...ward-Christian-soldiers&p=5840593#post5840593