Trump says he plans to put a 100% tariff on computer chips, likely pushing up cost of electronics

[Uncensored2008]

What, no stupid juvenile meme or gif this time?

Whassa matter, couldn't find one at the right-wing nutjob propaganda website you usually get your drooler trash from?

Poor sploogy - you're watching your Stalinist dream burn to the ground.

But hey, North Korea is still there for you - you can migrate. If you cross their border illegally they'll give you free food, a good income, free housing, and free medical care. The guy running it is damned near a clone of Joe Biden. The skull and crossbone signs in the neutral zone are welcome signs....

 

[Into the Night]

Trump won't be happy until he sheds some American blood. When he does, that will be a bridge too far for even the MAGAts.

You can't blame your calls for civil war against citizens of the United States on Trump, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

Like J6? They were good with that.

A democrat committed the murder, Finger. He still hasn't been prosecuted for it either.

 

[Into the Night]

Really that simple, eh?

It really is, Red.

How much do you think labor workers will expect vs what offshore nations pay their workers?

Why do support slavery and sending jobs overseas?

I get the notion of making essential goods right here in America, I get that

I don't think you do.

....but two things will happen....first off, immigrants will get first dibs on hiring

Illegal immigrants won't get hired, Red. Immigrants that became citizens will.

, bc business will do anything to cut costs in labor and second,

You still don't seem to understand how price discovery works.

its gonna take years for these jobs to be fully vested in this country,

Too many buzzwords to make any sense. Ignored.

because even the smallest of a product is made over there,

Just how small a product are you describing? About the size of a virus?

such as the minerals needed to produce something

A mineral is not a product, Red. It's raw material. We have lots of rocks here.

as simple as a button or a zipper

Both of these are made domestically.

 

[Into the Night]

ANNNND Uneducated2008 slides to the only possible response by trump sack-licker drones.

Awwwwww. You're stuck in mimic land again....

 

[Into the Night]

You are only programmed to give two possible responses,

You are in fact not sentient.

An interesting argument.

Let's compare a couple of programs:

A fly:
1. Fly
2. If you hit something, land on it
3. If it smells good, eat it, lay your eggs in it.
4. If movement crosses your eyesight, fly.
5. Repeat until dead.

A Democrat:
1. Claim some kind of Doom and Gloom
2. Blame it on Trump or any other conservative
3. Throw insults and buzzwords.
4. Repeat until dead.

Hmmmmmmm. I would have to give the fly more intelligence, being a longer program and it has some IF clauses in it.

 

[Walt]

Awesome; making it harder for foreign producers to get ahead of ours. Great news.

It will be a 100% tax on us trying to produce AGI first... Just as a reminder there is no second place with AGI, just losers. So if OpenAI tries to buy more chips, they will only get half as many as without the tariffs.

That means we will be thrown far behind foreign producers.

 

[Walt]

Tariffs are not placed on domestic production, Tball.

They are placed on inputs for domestic production. So American cars have higher tariffs on them, if you include the tariffs on steel and parts, than European cars have on them.

trump is not good at thinking.

 

[Walt]

In 1990 - about 90% of complex chips were made in America. Then Clinton colluded with China and now we are here.

The tariff is obviously on chips made in China. You are rushing to defend your country.

China really does not make that many chips. You are dealing in a fantasy.

 

[Walt]

And obviously zero tariff on those chips.

There are going to be high tariffs on the equipment to make those chips, and the inputs into those chips.

 

[Walt]

ANNNND noballs slides to the other possible response by communist drones...

trump is the one supporting partial nationalization of Intel. Doesn't that make you a communist drone?

 

[Into the Night]

They are placed on inputs for domestic production.

Tariffs are not placed on domestic production, Wally.

So American cars have higher tariffs on them,

Cars made in America are domestically produced, Wally. No tariff.

if you include the tariffs on steel

Steel is domestically produced, Wally. No tariffs.

and parts, than European cars have on them.

Cars do not have more parts than are on them, Wally.

trump is not good at thinking.

You are describing yourself, Wally.

Illiteracy: Proper nouns are always capitalized.

 

[Into the Night]

China really does not make that many chips. You are dealing in a fantasy.

China manufacturers CPUs, GPUs, LEDs, TTL, CMOS, and linear chips. Most are used in country, except LEDs, which are sold internationally for cheap.

China's usual exports for computers are mechanicals (cases and related hardware), power supplies, and of course, LEDs (also sold as Christmas lights). They also produce motherboards and auxillary cards.

Taiwan specializes in custom CPUs and GPUs for international sale.

Japan specializes in solid state displays, LEDs, base logic, resistors, capacitors, inductors, crystals, memory, and SSD and mechanical disks.

South Korea specializes in finished appliances, and also produces stock CPUs and GPUs. They also produce motherboards and auxillary cards.

Here in the Americas, Mexico produces CPUs and some memory. The United States produces memory, especially the fast specialized stuff needed for video cards, GPUs, CPUs, some mechanicals, and auxillary cards.

There are also a lot of other items besides computer components made in China and imported to the United States.
As long as the price form China can stay competitive, people will buy it.

 

[Into the Night]

There are going to be high tariffs on the equipment to make those chips, and the inputs into those chips.

The equipment to make chips is made in the United States and Japan, not China. Equipment sold from Japan or from the United States to China is not affected by US tariffs.

The raw material for making chips is primarily sand, Wally.

 

[Into the Night]

trump is the one supporting partial nationalization of Intel.

Intel has been selling internationally for decades. What rock have YOU been hiding under??

Doesn't that make you a communist drone?

Capitalism isn't communism, Wally.

 

[Uncensored2008]

There are going to be high tariffs on the equipment to make those chips, and the inputs into those chips.

What do you mean the "inputs to those chips?"

Are you delusional to the point of thinking China is designing the chips?

Try again.

 

[Uncensored2008]

trump is the one supporting partial nationalization of Intel. Doesn't that make you a communist drone?

A falsehood followed by ad hom - a Stalinist twofer.

I oppose Trump's idea to invest in promoting domestic chip manufacturing - but to claim he is "nationalizing" Intel the way Obama nationalized General Motors is a flat out lie - as you know.

 

[Walt]

I oppose Trump's idea to invest in promoting domestic chip manufacturing - but to claim he is "nationalizing" Intel the way Obama nationalized General Motors is a flat out lie - as you know.

trump is taking government ownership of 10% of Intel.

 

[Walt]

What do you mean the "inputs to those chips?"

The chemicals used to make chips mostly come from Japan. The equipment to make chips mostly come from the Netherlands. The parts in those equipment come from all over the world, but usually each part comes from only one spot in the world.

Manufacturing chips is highly specialized. Even if the fab units are in the USA, the inputs and equipment that those fab units buy come from outside the USA.

 

[Walt]

The equipment to make chips is made in the United States and Japan, not China.

The whole units are made in the Netherlands, from parts from around the world, but much of the parts come from Germany. Any American buyers of the equipment will have to pay high tariffs on it.