We need Socialism. Socialism Is A Good Thing. Socialism Promotes The General Welfare.

Socialism will produce what we need. Capitalism produces what the greedy think will make them money, overproduce and then stop production entirely. It is a fatuous system, designed for mugs.
 
Threedee said:
You don't understand that socialism is wasteful and unproductive?
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Socialism does not have to be either wasteful or unproductive.

It is much more likely that if properly instituted, it will be MUCH less wasteful than capitalism...and productivity can actually be increased...although both capitalism AND socialism need to learn significant lessons about "the present" in order to maximize productivity.
 
Phantasmal said:
Actually, I think it is a blend that makes America great.
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As articulated by Andrei Sakharov:

Without socialism, bourgeois practices and the egotistical principle of private ownership gave rise to the "people of the abyss" described by Jack London. Only the competition with socialism and the pressure of the working class made possible the social progress of the twentieth century and, all the more, will insure the now inevitable process of rapprochement of the two systems. It took socialism to raise the meaning of labor to the heights of a moral feat. Before the advent of socialism, national egotism gave rise to colonial oppression, nationalism, and racism. By now it has become clear that victory is on the side of the humanistic, international approach.

The capitalist world could not help giving birth to the socialist, but now the socialist world should not seek to destroy by force the ground from which it grew. Under the present conditions this would be tantamount to the suicide of mankind. Socialism should ennoble that ground by its example and other indirect forms of pressure and then merge with it.
 
Threedee said:
You first, Marxist.
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I don't know why you call me an Marxist, but I can assure you that as an educated British person I have read hugely more books than a peasant cowboy in Piggsville. Ohio. If you want something useful to do while illiterate, go shoot the Fat Bully with your bang-bang.
 
iolo said:
I don't know why you call me an Marxist, but I can assure you that as an educated British person I have read hugely more books than a peasant cowboy in Piggsville. Ohio. If you want something useful to do while illiterate, go shoot the Fat Bully with your bang-bang.
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If we're aiming for snob appeal, I'd say the Puget Sound Corridor beats Wales.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Socialism does not have to be either wasteful or unproductive.

It is much more likely that if properly instituted, it will be MUCH less wasteful than capitalism...and productivity can actually be increased...although both capitalism AND socialism need to learn significant lessons about "the present" in order to maximize productivity.
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We pretend to work, and the government pretends to pay us.
 
Threedee said:
That's actually a famous Russian quote.
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Actually, it is a famous Soviet Union communist quote...a bit of sarcasm from a "worker" during the communist regime.

I called it moronic.

Not sure if you think there is something wrong with calling a communist quote "moronic"...but if you are, that is your right.
 
PoliTalker said:
There is a long standing Conservative Myth that we have to choose between socialism and capitalism. Some say socialism is like a cancerous disease that, once begun, grows and grows until it chokes capitalism to death and destroys the economy.

False and false.

Socialism is working very well in most industrialized nations. The USA is the only highly industrialized nation which does not have a socialist universal health care system.

We have had socialism in the USA for a long time now.

Even back when most Trump supporters would say 'America was great.' (the 1950's?)

We had social security and a minimum wage. Neither of those things is the result of capitalism.

The (socialism again) GI Bill saved millions of returning American vets from poverty. It allowed them to get an education, get a job, get a mortgage, get a home, and build wealth. (White Americans, anyway - blacks were redlined OUT of home ownership, the primary vehicle to wealth for most Americans.)

FDR: One of the greatest Presidents ever. He brought us through the big war, brought us socialism to save us from the ravages of Great Depression.

Socialism has lots of promises and benefits but socialism cannot be our only solution.

Capitalism is our primary wealth generator. Capitalism is a powerful engine of motivation and productivity.

How do we decide between the two?

That's a trick question.

We don't have to pick one.

We can have BOTH!

We already do.

The trick is to get the correct balance between the two. We just need the proper blend of capitalism and socialism. We can work jobs, pay into the system, and let the system take care of the needy. Everyone wins!

We need to be talking more and more about how socialism can work for us. We need to move beyond the limiting old Conservative Myths that are supporting the Class War and wealth extraction.

Corporations and the super-rich extract far more of our wealth than socialism. We need to face up to the facts here. The government doesn't want your money. The government uses the money it collects to do good, and always end up in the hole anyway. (because of the chintzy super-rich never want to pay enough taxes!) Corporations and the super-rich take your money and keep it for themselves. They take the government's money. They can't get enough. If you've got it, they want it. And they are very diabolical about getting what they want.

We need a socialist health care system. It is wrong for people to think of healing as a way to get rich. It is wrong for corporations to be making billions of dollars on the 'business' of providing health care. Health care in the USA should be a RIGHT. We can put a man on the moon; we can do this.

The capitalist model cannot work well for that because there is no way to have basic competition. Something happens and you're rushed off to the hospital, you don't spring up out of the gurney and say: "WAIT! I want to shop around and see which is the best deal in hospitals!" It's not like you're laying on the ground and waving off the first few EMT's because they charge too much. That's ridiculous. Who calls around to doctor offices for prices? "How much do you charge for treatment if I have a stroke?" No. That's ridiculous. Capitalism doesn't work for that.

We need Socialism in the USA.
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Socialism? I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
Guille said:
Socialism? I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Socialism essentially means the same thing as government in a free society.

It means the things that we agree to do collectively because it's much more efficient than doing them individually.
It does not preclude either free enterprise or individualism in all the other areas.
This is fundamental and should be understood by every American.
If our education were where it needs to be, everybody would know that.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Socialism essentially means the same thing as government in a free society.

It means the things that we agree to do collectively because it's much more efficient than doing them individually.
It does not preclude either free enterprise or individualism in all the other areas.
This is fundamental and should be understood by every American.
If our education were where it needs to be, everybody would know that.
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You're kinda dumb aren't you?

You just described the Social Compact...not Socialism.

Finish Middle School and then come back and try again.
 
Guille said:
You're kinda dumb aren't you?

You just described the Social Compact...not Socialism.

Finish Middle School and then come back and try again.
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Cultivate a grown up's vocabulary before you try to interact with grown-ups.
You're certainly not up to the task now.
 
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