We need Socialism. Socialism Is A Good Thing. Socialism Promotes The General Welfare.

evince said:
so you are lying about the one party that is saving us from trump and the republican/Russian party


pretty suspicious
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Which party has super delegates as a mechanism for which to steal the votes of their own voters?

The Democratic Party.
 
prove they are there to steal votes liar


give us an example in history in which they were used that way.


you are being fucking stupid
 
20 percent of Dem delegates are "super delegates'. they have no special power except they are not committed by primary votes. they are a defense against a candidate be chosen who is too far out or too crazy to represent the party platform. It is no terrble cabal. It saves the Dems from a candidate like Trump who has smashed the Republican party and gone of the rails.
 
Nordberg said:
20 percent of Dem delegates are "super delegates'. they have no special power except they are not committed by primary votes. they are a defense against a candidate be chosen who is too far out or too crazy to represent the party platform. It is no terrble cabal. It saves the Dems from a candidate like Trump who has smashed the Republican party and gone of the rails.
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It serves to quash the will of the voters, ask Donna Brazile, "Power Rising"-n-shit.

# the assistance
 
evince said:
Our founders applied some socialism right into the constitution they wrote fool


stop fucking lying about this nations founding
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You always reference the post office. If the USPS is socialism, why are UPS, FedEx, Western Union, etc., allowed to operate? Why are grocery stores, restaurants, florists, department stores, online stores, etc., allowed to deliver without becoming an arm of government services?
 
Threedee said:
You always reference the post office. If the USPS is socialism, why are UPS, FedEx, Western Union, etc., allowed to operate? Why are grocery stores, restaurants, florists, department stores, online stores, etc., allowed to deliver without becoming an arm of government services?
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USPS provides a different service than FedEx, UPS.

USPS by mandate had to provide daily mail service to everyone, everyone in the U.S., irrespective of profit. I live on a farm 10 miles outside of town, and USPS had to send a mail truck out to my house every day. They sure as shit were not making money on that deal. Every small town in America has a post office, irrespective of cost-benefit or profit.
In short, the USPS provides a service society deems necessary and desirable outside the constraints of profit and raw capitalism.

Fed Ex is providing a specialized as-needed service for an individual fee. Different service than USPS. Fed Ex could never make money doing what the Post Office does - delivering mail every day to everyone, everywhere in the United States, and keeping Offices open in every po-dunk town and village.

With regard to agriculture, allow me to say "you didn't build that". American agriculture depends on massive government subsidies in research, water projects and irrigation, crop science, price supports, and genetic science. In that sense, our agricultural production is a hybrid system, and is most certainly not pure, raw capitalism.
 
Cypress said:
USPS provides a different service than FedEx, UPS.

USPS by mandate had to provide daily mail service to everyone, everyone in the U.S., irrespective of profit. I live on a farm 10 miles outside of town, and USPS had to send a mail truck out to my house every day. They sure as shit were not making money on that deal. Every small town in America has a post office, irrespective of cost-benefit or profit.
In short, the USPS provides a service society deems necessary and desirable outside the constraints of profit and raw capitalism.

Fed Ex is providing a specialized as-needed service for an individual fee. Different service than USPS. Fed Ex could never make money doing what the Post Office does - delivering mail every day to everyone, everywhere in the United States, and keeping Offices open in every po-dunk town and village.

With regard to agriculture, allow me to say "you didn't build that". American agriculture depends on massive government subsidies in research, water projects and irrigation, crop science, price supports, and genetic science. In that sense, our agricultural production is a hybrid system, and is most certainly not pure, raw capitalism.
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Actually, it's the direct subsidies that make agriculture the hybrid system it is. I don't really look at government research as being a subsidy.
 
Cypress said:
USPS provides a different service than FedEx, UPS.

USPS by mandate had to provide daily mail service to everyone, everyone in the U.S., irrespective of profit. I live on a farm 10 miles outside of town, and USPS had to send a mail truck out to my house every day. They sure as shit were not making money on that deal. Every small town in America has a post office, irrespective of cost-benefit or profit.
In short, the USPS provides a service society deems necessary and desirable outside the constraints of profit and raw capitalism.

Fed Ex is providing a specialized as-needed service for an individual fee. Different service than USPS. Fed Ex could never make money doing what the Post Office does - delivering mail every day to everyone, everywhere in the United States, and keeping Offices open in every po-dunk town and village.

With regard to agriculture, allow me to say "you didn't build that". American agriculture depends on massive government subsidies in research, water projects and irrigation, crop science, price supports, and genetic science. In that sense, our agricultural production is a hybrid system, and is most certainly not pure, raw capitalism.
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You are wrong about that. A friend of mine lives in some small crossroads in Maryland where there is no residential mail delivery and no post office. They pick up their mail from a general store like it was little house on the prairie or the Waltons.
 
Threedee said:
You always reference the post office. If the USPS is socialism, why are UPS, FedEx, Western Union, etc., allowed to operate? Why are grocery stores, restaurants, florists, department stores, online stores, etc., allowed to deliver without becoming an arm of government services?
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because that is how the founders designed it

its still a socialist idea huh


so were the things like the Cumberaland road to make mail delivery possible


the military is also socialist huh


quit pretending both are not compatible

countries all over the world use both in tandem
 
evince said:
because that is how the founders designed it

its still a socialist idea huh


so were the things like the Cumberaland road to make mail delivery possible


the military is also socialist huh


quit pretending both are not compatible

countries all over the world use both in tandem
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You don't know what socialism is.
 
Kacper said:
You are wrong about that. A friend of mine lives in some small crossroads in Maryland where there is no residential mail delivery and no post office. They pick up their mail from a general store like it was little house on the prairie or the Waltons.
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That is a very small percent of USPS service
 
Kacper said:
You are wrong about that. A friend of mine lives in some small crossroads in Maryland where there is no residential mail delivery and no post office. They pick up their mail from a general store like it was little house on the prairie or the Waltons.
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We had a rural route postal delivery and they sent a truck out every day and put mail in our mail box.

I have zero doubt that there are some remote rural areas where people have to get a PO box and drive into town to get their mail.

The bottom line is that USPS delivers a daily, universal service that society has long deemed necessary and desirable, irrespective of cost-benefit analysis and profit motive.

That is the kind of business model and service that Fed Ex is not designed to provide.
And that is exactly why pure, raw, unfettered capitalism has never worked in this country, and never will.
 
Mason Michaels said:
That is a very small percent of USPS service
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A very small percentage does not change that the statement was inaccurate. In other places they will clump all the mail boxes together and make people drive several miles just to get their mail so the USPS does not have to drive the several miles to each and everyone of their doors.
 
Cypress said:
We had a rural route postal delivery and they sent a truck out every day and put mail in our mail box.

I have zero doubt that there are some remote rural areas where people have to get a PO box and drive into town to get their mail.

The bottom line is that USPS delivers a daily, universal service that society has long deemed necessary and desirable, irrespective of cost-benefit analysis and profit motive.

That is the kind of business model and service that Fed Ex is not designed to provide.
And that is exactly why pure, raw, unfettered capitalism has never worked in this country, and never will.
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Residents in many smaller towns and rural areas in the United States do not receive residential mail delivery from the USPS. They’re living off the grid, the postal grid, that is.

In communities such as Davidson, NC, Carmel-by-the-Sea, CA, and Jackson Hole, WY, USPS does not deliver mail to home addresses. Shippers like FedEx and UPS usually deliver packages to peoples’ doors, but the USPS does not.
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Rural mail delivery frequently involves a central set of mailboxes located along a rural path. These mailboxes tend to cover a large area; thus, they are rarely close to residents’ actual homes.

In 2013, the USPS changed one of its residential delivery policies. For all newly established addresses, instead of delivering to the door or a curbside mailbox, mail will only be delivered to central mailbox clusters. These can be located far from a person’s actual residence. These clusters also make package delivery tricky since the mailbox address is different from the property address.
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https://www.serviceobjects.com/blog/service-not-available-usps-mail-delivery-limited-may-think/
 
Kacper said:
A very small percentage does not change that the statement was inaccurate. In other places they will clump all the mail boxes together and make people drive several miles just to get their mail so the USPS does not have to drive the several miles to each and everyone of their doors.
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One way or another it has to be delivered 6 days a week
 
Hello Threedee,

Threedee said:
Only if people are too lazy to use words correctly. That is why I refer to leftists as leftist, and to the prevailing ideology upon which America and capitalism were founded, as liberalism.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. I struggle with this. People don't speak literally. Connotations shift like the sand dunes. The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind.
 
Hello Nordberg,

Nordberg said:
This is an argument of labels. We need a name for the wealth gap problem that Republican politics creates. The rightys are creating a plutocracy by confiscating the profits the workers create. They are taking as many rights from the people as they can by installing a corporate supreme court, which is about to get worse. Corporations are people, and money = speech. what crap. Leveling out the wealth so people do not live in sheer desperation wondering what the future will bring, but knowing they have no real power to define it, is what our politicians should be dealing with. The wealthy control the masses by keeping them fighting each other. Every industrial society provides universal healthcare which is better quality and cheaper. Yet American think that is evil or bad. How stupid is that? Raising the min wage which would help the masses survive and provide them some kind of life, Americans think is bad? WTF. this is not thinking, but bad acceptance of programming. More pavlovian than thinking. Americans respond emotionally when you put a bad name on it regardless of how it would help the people.
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Totally well said. Thanks.
 
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