We need Socialism. Socialism Is A Good Thing. Socialism Promotes The General Welfare.

[PoliTalker]

Hello evince,

yes


the republican party has worked for decades to destroy democracy


their willingness to cheat Americans voters out of their rights to steal the power our Democracy holds makes it crystal clear


Its time to recognize unabashedly that the republican/Russian party is the enemy of Democracy and our nation

True, but it would be foolish to think Democrats are not also on the take from big corporate money, or that the SCOTUS is not lost to big money. The power of wealth is about to be irrevocably institutionalized.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Cypress,

USPS provides a different service than FedEx, UPS.

USPS by mandate had to provide daily mail service to everyone, everyone in the U.S., irrespective of profit. I live on a farm 10 miles outside of town, and USPS had to send a mail truck out to my house every day. They sure as shit were not making money on that deal. Every small town in America has a post office, irrespective of cost-benefit or profit.
In short, the USPS provides a service society deems necessary and desirable outside the constraints of profit and raw capitalism.

Fed Ex is providing a specialized as-needed service for an individual fee. Different service than USPS. Fed Ex could never make money doing what the Post Office does - delivering mail every day to everyone, everywhere in the United States, and keeping Offices open in every po-dunk town and village.

With regard to agriculture, allow me to say "you didn't build that". American agriculture depends on massive government subsidies in research, water projects and irrigation, crop science, price supports, and genetic science. In that sense, our agricultural production is a hybrid system, and is most certainly not pure, raw capitalism.

What an excellent point.

It is posts like this that make me proud to have your name on my friends list.

We mix socialism and capitalism in so many ways that people don't even realize how much socialism can do for them.

It is sad that capitalism freaks try to claim credit for much of what socialism does.

How many times do we hear conservatives claiming the Conservative Myth that our capitalism is responsible for the highest level of lifestyle in the world? But then, when you expose the facts about it, these same people also complain loudly about the dole. Do they not get it that our average standard of living is raised by the dole? That without American socialism there would be no minimum wage, no social safety net guaranteeing that none will fall below a certain level?

Socialism raises the standard average lifestyle.

Without socialism, we would have vast numbers of homeless beggars on the street. Capitalism has no place for them, no help for them. The only reason we have any is not due to lack of available services. It is largely because of mental illness and people who refuse to seek available help.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Threedee,

Actually, it's the direct subsidies that make agriculture the hybrid system it is. I don't really look at government research as being a subsidy.

Which is why you think only capitalism built that.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Hello Threedee,



Which is why you think only capitalism built that.

No, I think that only people built that. Capitalism, as an economic model (as well as a method that best allows citizens to enjoy their natural rights and explore their creativity), has outperformed feudalism, mercantilism, fascism, socialism, and every other economic theory, combined, and then some.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Kacper,

A very small percentage does not change that the statement was inaccurate. In other places they will clump all the mail boxes together and make people drive several miles just to get their mail so the USPS does not have to drive the several miles to each and everyone of their doors.

If some choose to exercise their freedom to live in remote places, that does not mean the USPS has to deliver there. Some people live on boats, moving about, anchoring wherever they please. Some live in RV's, wandering to their heart's delight. There will always be some who need to collect their own mail at drop points. That doesn't violate that the USPS delivers to the vast majority without charge to the addressee. You are free to live on a mountaintop if you like. That does not mean the USPS has to deliver there. It delivers to a lot of very remote places, but it would be unreasonable to expect them to deliver to all remote places. There are people living on the International Space Station who don't get mail, either. Some places are simply cost prohibitive and not justified.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Threedee,

No, I think that only people built that.

Good for you.

Capitalism, as an economic model (as well as a method that best allows citizens to enjoy their natural rights and explore their creativity), has outperformed feudalism, mercantilism, fascism, socialism, and every other economic theory, combined, and then some.

It has only outperformed in certain parameters, but not all. Capitalism is great at generating wealth, but not solving all the problems and challenges of society. Capitalism sucks at, for instance, preventing pollution. Capitalism decided we should be a throw-away society. Capitalism gave us disposable everything, which resulted in more litter than ever seen before in history. Capitalism kills customers and workers, too. Capitalism hates the regulations that protect us.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Hello Threedee,



Good for you.



It has only outperformed in certain parameters, but not all. Capitalism is great at generating wealth, but not solving all the problems and challenges of society. Capitalism sucks at, for instance, preventing pollution. Capitalism decided we should be a throw-away society. Capitalism gave us disposable everything, which resulted in more litter than ever seen before in history. Capitalism kills customers and workers, too. Capitalism hates the regulations that protect us.

Well, I'm looking at Medieval Europe, Early Modern Britain/France/Spain, 20th century fascism, the former USSR, and present-day Venezuela. What exactly does/did any of these examples do better than capitalism?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Threedee,

Well, I'm looking at Medieval Europe, Early Modern Britain/France/Spain, 20th century fascism, the former USSR, and present-day Venezuela. What exactly does/did any of these examples do better than capitalism?

Nothing much that I can think of. That's why I am not arguing to return to that.

I notice you're not mentioning Australia, modern Europe, Canada.

 

[evince]

Hello evince,



True, but it would be foolish to think Democrats are not also on the take from big corporate money, or that the SCOTUS is not lost to big money. The power of wealth is about to be irrevocably institutionalized.

no it isn't


taking corporate money is fine if you just do the peoples bidding anyway


we will impeach the shit heap if they get him in

 

[Minister of Truth]

Hello Threedee,



Nothing much that I can think of. That's why I am not arguing to return to that.

I notice you're not mentioning Australia, modern Europe, Canada.

Those are examples of capitalist nations. Now, as to their degree of progressivism and welfare statism, we can all agree to keep observing, and see if things can remain stable into the near future.

 

[evince]

well we know your idiot economic ideas have failed over and over

so we should NEVER try them again

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Well, I'm looking at Medieval Europe, Early Modern Britain/France/Spain, 20th century fascism, the former USSR, and present-day Venezuela. What exactly does/did any of these examples do better than capitalism?

American style capitalism and Soviet style communism are but divergent paths to the same ultimate destination wherein all reasonable access to wealth and power becomes concentrated into the hands of a ruling industrial/tech class. Eventually hominids will evolve on to something else just as they did from feudalism, and for precisely the same reasons.

As for Venezuela, we are actively involved in destabilizing Venezuela just as we have always done with any Latin/South American nation who refused to play ball with Wall Street, the IMF and the World Bank. And we have plenty of examples of European nations doing much better by the unsubstantial people than america does, but we hide in denial.

 

[Minister of Truth]

American style capitalism and Soviet style communism are but divergent paths to the same ultimate destination wherein all reasonable access to wealth and power becomes concentrated into the hands of a ruling industrial/tech class. Eventually hominids will evolve on to something else just as they did from feudalism, and for precisely the same reasons.

As for Venezuela, we are actively involved in destabilizing Venezuela just as we have always done with any Latin/South American nation who refused to play ball with Wall Street, the IMF and the World Bank. And we have plenty of examples of European nations doing much better by the unsubstantial people than america does, but we hide in denial.

The majority business/employers in America are small businesses. You can't compare the US economy to the USSR like that unless you are either A) an ignorant Marxist, B) a liar, or C) an ignorant lying Marxist.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

no it isn't


taking corporate money is fine if you just do the peoples bidding anyway

Like cockblocking single payer even though a majority of the public supports it.

Fweedumb.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

The majority business/employers in America are small businesses. You can't compare the US economy to the USSR like that unless you are either A) an ignorant Marxist, B) a liar, or C) an ignorant lying Marxist.

Well, I'm looking at Medieval Europe, Early Modern Britain/France/Spain, 20th century fascism, the former USSR, and present-day Venezuela.

Sure takes so much denial, intellectual dishonesty and contortionism to repeat the propaganda these days, it's wearing very thin bub. Personally I'm looking forward to the next crash and bailing out of the aristocracy by the masses. The bubble won't last.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Threedee,

Those are examples of capitalist nations. Now, as to their degree of progressivism and welfare statism, we can all agree to keep observing, and see if things can remain stable into the near future.

Whatever you want to call this hybrid model of heavily regulated capitalism combines with a comprehensive government safety net, I call it socialism, it is our future and it obviously works well.

The capitalism part provides motivation and wealth building and the socialism part takes care of those left behind by capitalism. It promotes the general welfare, exactly what is outlined in the preamble.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Well, I'm looking at Medieval Europe, Early Modern Britain/France/Spain, 20th century fascism, the former USSR, and present-day Venezuela.

Sure takes so much denial, intellectual dishonesty and contortionism to repeat the propaganda these days, it's wearing very thin bub. Personally I'm looking forward to the next crash and bailing out of the aristocracy by the masses. The bubble won't last.

I'm sorry you lost your empire, comrade. Sorry, not sorry.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Hello Threedee,



Whatever you want to call this hybrid model of heavily regulated capitalism combines with a comprehensive government safety net, I call it socialism, it is our future and it obviously works well.

The capitalism part provides motivation and wealth building and the socialism part takes care of those left behind by capitalism. It promotes the general welfare, exactly what is outlined in the preamble.

Do you call it that in hopes of advancing actual socialism, with progressivism and welfare statism serving as the carrot?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Threedee,

Do you call it that in hopes of advancing actual socialism, with progressivism and welfare statism serving as the carrot?

No. I don't want the government to own everything. I have never advocated for straight up socialism.

I consistently advocate for seeking the proper balance of capitalism and socialism.

Socialism for needs, capitalism for wants.

 

[Cypress]

Hello Threedee,



No. I don't want the government to own everything. I have never advocated for straight up socialism.

I consistently advocate for seeking the proper balance of capitalism and socialism.

Socialism for needs, capitalism for wants.

A good point.

On a quasi-related tangent, here are some recent benefits of Socialism I have incorporated into my life.

Last week I subscribed to my public library’s free video streaming service. I have also gotten in the habit of getting almost all the books I want to read from the library. You would be actually amazed at the services and products good public libraries can provide.

Wrapping up - I am trying to remember why I ever paid money to the Capitalist Swine at Barnes & Noble and HBO.