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= GRIND = said:
cells are organisms dumbass. They are individual life.
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<(O_O<)^_^<) said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitosis
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What we have here is another "1/3" argument. You want to manipulate semantics and pretend I am saying something which hasn't been said. I realize cells have a life cycle, I never denied that cells live and die. A cell CAN be an organism, but this is not always the case, and isn't usually the case. It must be able to live by itself, performing all the functions of life, in which case it is a unicellular organism. Our cells in our human bodies are not unicellular organisms, they are all dependent on the host organism or other cells within it.

Now take a seat at the back of the class with Apple.
 
= GRIND = said:
cells are organisms dumbass. They are individual life.
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if you argue science long enough anyone can make an insupportable generalization....such as yourself......true, any cell is alive unless, like brain cells demonstrated in this thread, they have recently died......however, every cell is not an organism.....and Dixie, certain parts of the organism are made up of specialized cells, which do replicate themselves.....the stem cells of the organism is required to produce specialized cells, but the specialized cells themselves can reproduce identical specialized cells.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
if you argue science long enough anyone can make an insupportable generalization....such as yourself......true, any cell is alive unless, like brain cells demonstrated in this thread, they have recently died......however, every cell is not an organism.....and Dixie, certain parts of the organism are made up of specialized cells, which do replicate themselves.....the stem cells of the organism is required to produce specialized cells, but the specialized cells themselves can reproduce identical specialized cells.....
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You're not saying anything different than Grind said. Are cells organisms? Type that into your Google search bar and see what pops up! You'll find, most cells are not organisms, because an organism has a certain criteria which cells don't match. Yes, some cells are capable of replicating themselves, but to say that a cell is an organism is like saying a bucket is a hat.

The specialized cell replication you are talking about, happens as a result of the host organism. Organisms reproduce cells, even cells that can replicate themselves without being organisms. This is not what I am talking about.
 
= GRIND = said:
uhh yeah they are. cells reproduce all the time.
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Actually Dixie is correct. There are many types of cells that do not reproduce. In fact most specialized cells, muscle cells, endocrine cells, nuerons, etc, lose their ability to reproduce mitotically as mature cells.
 
Dixie said:
What we have here is another "1/3" argument. You want to manipulate semantics and pretend I am saying something which hasn't been said. I realize cells have a life cycle, I never denied that cells live and die. A cell CAN be an organism, but this is not always the case, and isn't usually the case. It must be able to live by itself, performing all the functions of life, in which case it is a unicellular organism. Our cells in our human bodies are not unicellular organisms, they are all dependent on the host organism or other cells within it.

Now take a seat at the back of the class with Apple.
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you are the one moving the goal posts dixie. you said that cells don't reproduce (that's false) and you said that they dont reproduce because otherwise they would be an organism (which is another incorrect statement).

and finally, all cells are unicellular organisms. they are individual cells. that live. a cell is the basic unit of life.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Actually Dixie is correct. There are many types of cells that do not reproduce. In fact most specialized cells, muscle cells, endocrine cells, nuerons, etc, lose their ability to reproduce mitotically as mature cells.
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this isn't what dixie said stop playing with him like you are a cat with a tortured mouse.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
if you argue science long enough anyone can make an insupportable generalization....such as yourself......true, any cell is alive unless, like brain cells demonstrated in this thread, they have recently died......however, every cell is not an organism.....and Dixie, certain parts of the organism are made up of specialized cells, which do replicate themselves.....the stem cells of the organism is required to produce specialized cells, but the specialized cells themselves can not reproduce identical specialized cells.....
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FTFY

I think were getting a bit into splitting hairs here. An organizm is an individual living thing that can react to stimuli, reproduce, grow and maintain homeostasis. That would include, plants, animals, protist, bacteria, fungi and viruses.
 
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Mott the Hoople said:
Well I was going strictly by what you quoted. No telling what the full context of Dixie's comment may have been.
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The CELL does NOT reproduce itself, sorry. If it did, it would be "an organism" because that is what organisms do. Cells are reproduced by an organism.
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1. The CELL does NOT reproduce itself, sorry.
2. If it did, it would be "an organism" (implying a cell is not an organism, because it does not reproduce itself)
3. Cells are reproduced by an organism. (implying cells can only be reproduced by a host)

Everything in that sentence is wrong.
 
= GRIND = said:
you are the one moving the goal posts dixie. you said that cells don't reproduce (that's false) and you said that they dont reproduce because otherwise they would be an organism (which is another incorrect statement).

and finally, all cells are unicellular organisms. they are individual cells. that live. a cell is the basic unit of life.
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Cells don't reproduce. They replicate, maybe. Reproduction is the continued independent process of replication, and cells don't do this unless they are organisms. We can revert back to Apple's skin cells in a petri dish example, the cells do replicate and grow, but this is not because of their individual ability to do so, it is because of another organism using chemistry and environment to force replication. A philosophical argument may be that any cell is an organism because it can be forced to replicate, but this is a false argument because the cell did not carry on the process of life independently. As much as you may wish science supported you on this, our bodies are simply not comprised of billions of unicellular organisms.
 
= GRIND = said:
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1. The CELL does NOT reproduce itself, sorry.
2. If it did, it would be "an organism" (implying a cell is not an organism, because it does not reproduce itself)
3. Cells are reproduced by an organism. (implying cells can only be reproduced by a host)

Everything in that sentence is wrong.
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Uhm... no, everything there is correct. You are confusing replication with reproduction, and these are two distinctly different things. Any living cell can only be produced by a host organism, there is no other physical way for them to come to exist. If you have ANYTHING to support a view to the contrary, you need to present it now, or shut the fuck up and go away.
 
Dixie said:
Cells don't reproduce. They replicate, maybe. Reproduction is the continued independent process of replication, and cells don't do this unless they are organisms. We can revert back to Apple's skin cells in a petri dish example, the cells do replicate and grow, but this is not because of their individual ability to do so, it is because of another organism using chemistry and environment to force replication. A philosophical argument may be that any cell is an organism because it can be forced to replicate, but this is a false argument because the cell did not carry on the process of life independently. As much as you may wish science supported you on this, our bodies are simply not comprised of billions of unicellular organisms.
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Dixie! Replicate and Reproduce are synonyms.
 
= GRIND = said:
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1. The CELL does NOT reproduce itself, sorry.
2. If it did, it would be "an organism" (implying a cell is not an organism, because it does not reproduce itself)
3. Cells are reproduced by an organism. (implying cells can only be reproduced by a host)

Everything in that sentence is wrong.
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Yee gads.
 
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