What are the Dems up to threatening Turkey?

[Cancel 2016.2]

I find this, since I believe it directed at me, to be beyond outrageous coming from a war supporter who doesn't give a rat's ass about soliders on their 4th tours who just want to come home.

I really do.

Actually darla, I do care about the troops. Which is why I stated this was a bad fucking idea. Now you have an increased chance of an additional blowup in Iraq occurring with our troops in the middle of two allies trying to calm this shit down. But please, go to another rally... that will show them how much you care. Then turn around and act like this wasn't predicted by many of us on this site. For the final time... saying the war was inevitable is not the same as saying I support how Bush has handled this war. But given the fact that we are in, we have to stay and try to stabilize this mess he created. If we don't we are simply going to end up having to go back in at a later date to clean up the mess.... and the odds of it being worse at a later date are pretty damn good.

 

[Cancel7]

So, if this does effect our soldiers negatively, will you still say that somehow I was wrong in pointing it out that it could?

I stated, this could happen because of this vote. You said, "I don't believe you", now that it is one step closer are you ready to admit that I may be right?

Adding another military into that area will not be beneficial for the US military in that area, regardless of whether you want them to stay, ever wanted them to go, believe that WMD are in Syria after the French and Russians moved them for Iraq...

It doesn't matter what you think of the war, adding another military into the theater that is not working in conjunction with the "coalition" will negatively effect the US soldiers.

I didn't even read this, because it didn't begin "yes, that's true, you never said that"

This myth of "the liberals" hating our troops, and/or, not caring about them, gets more and more outrageous the more of them are over there for 4 tours, the more of them who come back with catastrophic brain injuries, the more of them that come back without faces, the mroe of them that come back without limbs, the more of them that come back addicted to drugs and unable to cope and reenter society...

But you guys just never stop loving that myth.

 

[Cypress]

Rubbish, this is exactly what they threatened to do, what we have been barely able to keep them from doing, and now what they have done.

You are being deliberately disingenuous because you want to desperately pretend that such a vote held no importance. It clearly did, and the effect was exactly what I predicted. Amazing.

Okay, you win. Turkey is going to commit its soldiers to bloodshed, spend millions of dollars, and risk outright war because of a non-binding resolution in the american legislature.

 

[DigitalDave]

Please.

Turkey is not going to mount an expensive, lethal, and complex military intrusion into Turkey, because of some non-binding resolution pending in a legislative body in the united states.

They're going to do it, if they've decided that the US and kurds can't keep PKK from killing turks.

So you think they are bluffing? Despite this coming to vote after decades of this stuff going on, right after they threatened to retaliate in some way if we make a big deal out of something that happened 100 years ago, you think the connection isn't there?

 

[Cancel7]

Actually darla, I do care about the troops. Which is why I stated this was a bad fucking idea. Now you have an increased chance of an additional blowup in Iraq occurring with our troops in the middle of two allies trying to calm this shit down. But please, go to another rally... that will show them how much you care. Then turn around and act like this wasn't predicted by many of us on this site. For the final time... saying the war was inevitable is not the same as saying I support how Bush has handled this war. But given the fact that we are in, we have to stay and try to stabilize this mess he created. If we don't we are simply going to end up having to go back in at a later date to clean up the mess.... and the odds of it being worse at a later date are pretty damn good.

Another post that didn't begin with "that's true, you never said that".

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Rubbish, this is exactly what they threatened to do, what we have been barely able to keep them from doing, and now what they have done.

You are being deliberately disingenuous because you want to desperately pretend that such a vote held no importance. It clearly did, and the effect was exactly what I predicted. Amazing.

Well you see Damo... if the Dems keep calling it a "non-binding" resolution... THAT makes a difference to the Turks. If you insult someone and call it a "non-binding" resolution, then it really isn't an insult.

Sort of like my saying.... "with all due respect" prior to stating that Cypress is a complete moron not worthy of being allowed to waste another breath of oxygen.... see that isn't "really" insulting because I said "with all due respect" before insulting him.

 

[Cypress]

Actually darla, I do care about the troops. Which is why I stated this was a bad fucking idea. Now you have an increased chance of an additional blowup in Iraq occurring with our troops in the middle of two allies trying to calm this shit down. But please, go to another rally... that will show them how much you care. Then turn around and act like this wasn't predicted by many of us on this site. For the final time... saying the war was inevitable is not the same as saying I support how Bush has handled this war. But given the fact that we are in, we have to stay and try to stabilize this mess he created. If we don't we are simply going to end up having to go back in at a later date to clean up the mess.... and the odds of it being worse at a later date are pretty damn good.

Now you have an increased chance of an additional blowup in Iraq occurring with our troops in the middle of two allies trying to calm this shit down.


That's because you and Bush PUT our troops in Iraq, and FAILED to stop PKK raids into turkey. Its NOT because of Nancy Pelosi.

 

[Damocles]

I didn't even read this, because it didn't begin "yes, that's true, you never said that"

This myth of "the liberals" hating our troops, and/or, not caring about them, gets more and more outrageous the more of them are over there for 4 tours, the more of them who come back with catastrophic brain injuries, the more of them that come back without faces, the mroe of them that come back without limbs, the more of them that come back addicted to drugs and unable to cope and reenter society...

But you guys just never stop loving that myth.

I'm never said you "hated our troops", and in fact agreed that they shouldn't be there. You are being deliberately disingenuous.

I asked some specific questions, you too are avoiding answering them because they are inconvenient to your original premise.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

I didn't even read this, because it didn't begin "yes, that's true, you never said that"

This myth of "the liberals" hating our troops, and/or, not caring about them, gets more and more outrageous the more of them are over there for 4 tours, the more of them who come back with catastrophic brain injuries, the more of them that come back without faces, the mroe of them that come back without limbs, the more of them that come back addicted to drugs and unable to cope and reenter society...

But you guys just never stop loving that myth.

and you continue to provide reason for people to believe it. Or do you still not get what people were trying to tell you.... that stirring up shit with Turkey right now was going to be detrimental to our troops. I know you don't wish our troops harm. But your "not caring" when the Dems lead an action that will likely result in increasing the danger the troops face... there is little difference.

 

[Damocles]

Okay, you win. Turkey is going to commit its soldiers to bloodshed, spend millions of dollars, and risk outright war because of a non-binding resolution in the american legislature.

No, they are going to do that because they have wanted to for some time for reasons of their own. We were able to get them to stay out, barely, because they are allies in NATO and other reasons.

Their government warned against repercussions because of that vote. I predicted this very reaction, then you pretend that the prediction and effect were somehow not causal?

You are truly being totally self-manipulating. So desperate to believe that any action taken by your "side" in this is pure and good that you cannot see the forest for the trees.

People who were so ideologically bound that they can see nothing wrong with any action by "their" leaders are what got us into this mess to begin with. It shouldn't just continue, but Americans never learn from history because they believe it was "their fault!"

 

[Cancel7]

No, the Dems, in this very thread, multiple times told us that they 'don't care' that it might effect the soldiers negatively.

ah... yes, I recall that.... it slipped my memory amongst all their displays of caring for the troops...

Now Damo wants to call me "disingenious" for refusing to address anything else on this thread before these two state "that's true you never said that".

Because I am the one who said "I don't care" on this thread. And, if you go back and look, you can see I never said that I didn't care "if it effected our soldiers negatively".

Who is being disingenious?

 

[Cancel7]

and you continue to provide reason for people to believe it. Or do you still not get what people were trying to tell you.... that stirring up shit with Turkey right now was going to be detrimental to our troops. I know you don't wish our troops harm. But your "not caring" when the Dems lead an action that will likely result in increasing the danger the troops face... there is little difference.

Hey, I said that sending our troops there in the first place would definitely cause their deaths...you didn't care then, so give your hiding behind the troops now a big rest.

War supporters?

No longer able to hide behind the troops.

New rule. It's been in effect for a few months now.

Find a new stratagem.

 

[DigitalDave]

Hey, I said that sending our troops there in the first place would definitely cause their deaths...you didn't care then, so give your hiding behind the troops now a big rest.

War supporters?

No longer able to hide behind the troops.

New rule. It's been in effect for a few months now.

Find a new stratagem.

I think anybody who supports anyone in our congress that either supported this war, supports continued funding of this war, and supported this stupid resolution dealing with Turkey ought not to have an oppinion too.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Hey, I said that sending our troops there in the first place would definitely cause their deaths...you didn't care then, so give your hiding behind the troops now a big rest.

War supporters?

No longer able to hide behind the troops.

New rule. It's been in effect for a few months now.

Find a new stratagem.

And again, you are being obtuse. If there were never a reason to send troops into harms way, there would be no need for a military. You and I disagree on whether this war was necessary. We agree that Bush fucked it up. We agree that necessary or not, the timing was piss poor.

But please, continue with this "hiding behind the troops" crap. THAT will help you avoid the fact that your idiotic Dem leadership just fucked the troops even worse. Continue to ignore that. Your leaders are saints... so sayeth moveon.crap.

 

[Damocles]

Now Damo wants to call me "disingenious" for refusing to address anything else on this thread before these two state "that's true you never said that".

Because I am the one who said "I don't care" on this thread. And, if you go back and look, you can see I never said that I didn't care "if it effected our soldiers negatively".

Who is being disingenious?

The person who pretends that the statement comes from a vacuum.

here is the original statement I made:

I did point this out when speaking of problems this may create for our soldiers in the field while saying that a semantic vote over something that happened a century ago may effect us...

The answer I got was "I don't care".

Which was the answer that I got for making that statement. Never in there did I say "You hate the troops." I said exactly what I meant, I stated "this" and got "that" as an answer to my concern.

I'll ask again. Now that my concerns seem to be very real indeed, would you admit that a non-binding resolution may indeed negatively effect our soldiers, or are you going to pretend my points were not valid even though they were predicted?

 

[Cypress]

No, they are going to do that because they have wanted to for some time for reasons of their own. We were able to get them to stay out, barely, because they are allies in NATO and other reasons.

Their government warned against repercussions because of that vote. I predicted this very reaction, then you pretend that the prediction and effect were somehow not causal?

You are truly being totally self-manipulating. So desperate to believe that any action taken by your "side" in this is pure and good that you cannot see the forest for the trees.

People who were so ideologically bound that they can see nothing wrong with any action by "their" leaders are what got us into this mess to begin with. It shouldn't just continue, but Americans never learn from history because they believe it was "their fault!"

We simply disagree. My entire life experience informs me that sovereign governments don't committ to war and bloodshed, because of a resolution in a legislative body half a world away. Govermnet's engage in military action for more tangible reasons. Turkey will commit to military action because of the PKK, not because of nancy pelosi.

As for concern for the troops, you've been arguing since the days of politics.com to leave our troops in iraq. I was arguing to get them out. So, which of us did more harm to the troops?

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Now Damo wants to call me "disingenious" for refusing to address anything else on this thread before these two state "that's true you never said that".

Because I am the one who said "I don't care" on this thread. And, if you go back and look, you can see I never said that I didn't care "if it effected our soldiers negatively".

Who is being disingenious?

That would be YOU.

When you say you "don't care" about the resolution being passed, even after others stating this outcome was likely to occur which would lead to greater danger for our troops... then you are essentially saying you don't care that they are being put into greater danger.

But please, join the moron Cypress with his vain attempts to act like this had no effect on the Turks decision.

 

[Lao Tse]

That would be YOU.

When you say you "don't care" about the resolution being passed, even after others stating this outcome was likely to occur which would lead to greater danger for our troops... then you are essentially saying you don't care that they are being put into greater danger.

But please, join the moron Cypress with his vain attempts to act like this had no effect on the Turks decision.

You know what sf, only idiots work with genocidal freaks who threaten more genocide if you tell the truth about past genocide. Your neocon strategies suck. Just so you know.

 

[Cancel7]

That would be YOU.

When you say you "don't care" about the resolution being passed, even after others stating this outcome was likely to occur which would lead to greater danger for our troops... then you are essentially saying you don't care that they are being put into greater danger.

But please, join the moron Cypress with his vain attempts to act like this had no effect on the Turks decision.

I disagreed with that "stated" outcome from the two self-appointed statesmen, and said so.

And that is what makes you and Damo truly pathetic on this thread. Put please, continue jerking each other off.

 

[Damocles]

We simply disagree. My entire life experience informs me that sovereign governments don't committ to war and bloodshed, because of a resolution in a legislative body half a world away. Govermnet's engage in military action for more tangible reasons. Turkey will commit to military action because of the PKK, not because of nancy pelosi.

As for concern for the troops, you've been arguing since the days of politics.com to leave our troops in iraq. I was arguing to get them out. So, which of us did more harm to the troops?

My experience tells me that a government that was barely holding itself back from doing so because it wanted to for other reasons, will often use such to do what they wanted.

It was easy to predict this as their government warned of consequences and even recalled their ambassador, while at the same time began amassing troops at the border. It is simply disigenuous to pretend that their warnings were just "pretend" that they didn't practically shout to the world what the reaction would be.

We don't just "disagree" you twist this in your mind to make it 'okay'. There was nothing "okay" about this.