What are the Dems up to threatening Turkey?

Dungheap said:
I'll take that as a no.

Thanks though.
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Ok, so I guess coming right out and saying they are going to do something if we do something, then positioning themselves to do just what they said they are going to do if we do what they don't want us to do isn't evidence. You're as good of a denier as the right-wingers who supported this war. Man, and the logic is about exactly the same....
 
DigitalDave said:
Evidence would be that they threatened to do something if we pass that resolution, then they voted on this little tid bit.

We haven't passed the resolution yet, and they authorized the use of force sometime in the next year. Guess we will wait and see if they use it. I don't think they are bluffing on it though....
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Hmmm... I thought it had passed. Taking a posters word for it may have caused a stronger reaction than was necessary.
 
No, it passed committee. It was the vote that they were answering with a vote of their own. I stand by my statements and add that I will continue to point out that this could cause serious and very real problems for our troops and will urge my Representative to vote against it.
 
DigitalDave said:
Ok, so I guess coming right out and saying they are going to do something if we do something, then positioning themselves to do just what they said they are going to do if we do what they don't want us to do isn't evidence. You're as good of a denier as the right-wingers who supported this war. Man, and the logic is about exactly the same....
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You're deluded. There are at least half a dozen reasons why the Turkish parliament passed that authorization and the Congressional resolution simply doesn't even rank in the top fifteen. At best, the resolution gives them some nice cover at a convenient time for the other obvious reasons for the incursion into Iraq.

I think the U.S. support for Kurdistan and providing an operational base for the PKK to carry out attacks on Turkey would be the more pressing reasons for the resolution, but that's just me.

You seem to be buying into the argument that the resolution "caused" the incursion authorization which is akin to believing that the presence of Al Qaeda inside Iraq was the reason for the Iraq War.
 
LOL...........

AssHatZombie said:
You're not cool, with your ridiculous agreement with the warped feminist worldview, and your poopy pants.
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what did you expect from Cippie...he is darla and Lady t's closet dog...he knows alot about knee pads...and doggie biscuits! The guy has fem fatel syndrome...he wants to be pink so bad it hurts his ego!
 
Dungheap said:
You're deluded. There are at least half a dozen reasons why the Turkish parliament passed that authorization and the Congressional resolution simply doesn't even rank in the top fifteen. At best, the resolution gives them some nice cover at a convenient time for the other obvious reasons for the incursion into Iraq.

I think the U.S. support for Kurdistan and providing an operational base for the PKK to carry out attacks on Turkey would be the more pressing reasons for the resolution, but that's just me.

You seem to be buying into the argument that the resolution "caused" the incursion authorization which is akin to believing that the presence of Al Qaeda inside Iraq was the reason for the Iraq War.
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So the Turks specifically stating that "If you pass this resolution there will be consequences" means nothing to you?

I do agree that they are using the vote as the "excuse" or "cover" to do what they have been wanting to do. That is the friggin point. Why are the Dems so friggin moronic as to give them that cover? The Turks even told us ahead of time that is what would happen... yet we still give them the excuse to escalate with the Kurds.

Side note: who is suggesting we support a Kurdistan?
 
Battleborne said:
what did you expect from Cippie...he is darla and Lady t's closet dog...he knows alot about knee pads...and doggie biscuits! The guy has fem fatel syndrome...he wants to be pink so bad it hurts his ego!
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He has cursed his penis many times. "Damn penis!", he says.
 
Dungheap said:
You're deluded. There are at least half a dozen reasons why the Turkish parliament passed that authorization and the Congressional resolution simply doesn't even rank in the top fifteen. At best, the resolution gives them some nice cover at a convenient time for the other obvious reasons for the incursion into Iraq.

I think the U.S. support for Kurdistan and providing an operational base for the PKK to carry out attacks on Turkey would be the more pressing reasons for the resolution, but that's just me.

You seem to be buying into the argument that the resolution "caused" the incursion authorization which is akin to believing that the presence of Al Qaeda inside Iraq was the reason for the Iraq War.
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Ok... :rolleyes:

Turkey will cooperate with us in Northern Iraq (2003)
http://www.iraqwatch.org/government/us/state/state-powellgul-040203.htm

They cooperate all the way until when? Right now...

"Turkey Authorizes Troops to Enter Iraq to Fight Rebels"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/10/w...a010f54b1&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
 
Superfreak said:
So the Turks specifically stating that "If you pass this resolution there will be consequences" means nothing to you?

I do agree that they are using the vote as the "excuse" or "cover" to do what they have been wanting to do. That is the friggin point. Why are the Dems so friggin moronic as to give them that cover? The Turks even told us ahead of time that is what would happen... yet we still give them the excuse to escalate with the Kurds.

Side note: who is suggesting we support a Kurdistan?
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First, the side note: I'm not suggesting that we support a Kurdistan, I'm telling you that we are currently supporting Kurdistan. Not a separate autonomous state mind you, but a semi-autonomous region in Iraq where things are actually going quite well with the exception of the Turkish problem.

Second, the Turkish threat doesn't mean nothing, but let's be clear about the real reasons for the incursion authorization. It has nothing to do with the resolution. Zero. Zilch.

Third, the Turks would have escalated with the Kurds regardless if they felt it was in their national interest. You seem to think that they have set aside the good of Turkey but this resolution has caused them to put their national interest back at the forefront. Not likely. This just gives them some cover. If the resolution never existed we would have ended up at this point sooner or later. The resolution merely gave them cover, cover that you seem to agree with and appear to be buying into wholeheartedly in your effort to criticize the Democrats. Cover doesn't work when people call you on it. Why do you insist on buying into it?
 
"Relations between the United States and Turkey are delicate on another front. A bill on the Armenian genocide — the killing of more than a million Armenians by Turkey at the end of World War I — is due before the House Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday. Turks have been working to prevent its consideration, with Mr. Erdogan making phone calls Tuesday, according to a Turkish member of Parliament in Washington to work against the bill.

Its passage “would be insulting to Turkey,” said Egeman Bagis, the Parliament member. “It would mean losing Turkey’s support in the region.”

He did not say precisely what that might mean. Turkey ended military cooperation with France last year after France voted to make denial of the Armenian genocide a crime.

“It could make it very difficult for Turkey to continue supporting” the United States in Iraq, Mr. Bagis said."
 
DigitalDave said:
Ok... :rolleyes:

Turkey will cooperate with us in Northern Iraq (2003)
http://www.iraqwatch.org/government/us/state/state-powellgul-040203.htm

They cooperate all the way until when? Right now...

"Turkey Authorizes Troops to Enter Iraq to Fight Rebels"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/10/w...a010f54b1&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
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April of 2003? Really? You're trotting that out as a counterpoint to my post?

Maybe you've been under a rock for the past four and a half years, but some things have changed in the region since then.

:pke:
 
Dungheap said:
First, the side note: I'm not suggesting that we support a Kurdistan, I'm telling you that we are currently supporting Kurdistan. Not a separate autonomous state mind you, but a semi-autonomous region in Iraq where things are actually going quite well with the exception of the Turkish problem.

Second, the Turkish threat doesn't mean nothing, but let's be clear about the real reasons for the incursion authorization. It has nothing to do with the resolution. Zero. Zilch.

Third, the Turks would have escalated with the Kurds regardless if they felt it was in their national interest. You seem to think that they have set aside the good of Turkey but this resolution has caused them to put their national interest back at the forefront. Not likely. This just gives them some cover. If the resolution never existed we would have ended up at this point sooner or later. The resolution merely gave them cover, cover that you seem to agree with and appear to be buying into wholeheartedly in your effort to criticize the Democrats. Cover doesn't work when people call you on it. Why do you insist on buying into it?
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Because it's a way to demonize democrats and SF will buy into anything if it allows him to do that.

It's his only interest actually. He uses "the troops" as his own cover, much like you correctly explain Turkey is doing in this post.

Well stated by the way.
 
Dungheap said:
April of 2003? Really? You're trotting that out as a counterpoint to my post?

Maybe you've been under a rock for the past four and a half years, but some things have changed in the region since then.

:pke:
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My god you just want to defend your precious political party any way you can, but you are denying everything I am saying like its not the truth!

Why the hell would they pass this resolution, despite this shit with the Kurds going on for decades, within a week after this? Because we have been preventing them from doing it since a bunch of idiots wanted to attack Iraq, and we are slapping them in the face, so they turn right around and say 'Fuck you' right back.
 
I think we need to stop deploying personnell and just blow shit up with our bombs when we want to get our way. These fuckers running the show would rather kill people the spend the money on munitions.
 
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