What evidence exists that unity is possible?

katzgar said:
Should any manufacturing come back to the United States it will come back to robots not people.there are 300,000 robots in the United States and each robot displays 3.1 workers. So you are correct going into the future we will have to figure out a way to support the dumbasses of the world. Going forward artificial intelligence will displace a lot of workers. I don't know what the solution is going forward but I know the Democrats screwed up by not paying attention to globalization when their base got laid off and the factories went overseas.
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I can't agree more with this Response.

If we can pinpoint the Problem, we can probably fix it.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Today's America is two incompatible nations trying--with no success--to live within the same borders and under the same government.

Each side subscribes to ideology that has zero overlap with the ideology of the opposite side.

Neither side can make sufficient concessions to the other without completely abandoning the principles that allow its members to even live with themselves and sleep at night.

Whoever wins a presidential election, 49.75% of the electorate will viscerally hate the new president.

If the new president of either party does not have his/her own party in control of both legislative bodies, he/she can pass no legislation.
If the new president doesn't have his/her own party controlling the senate. he/she can get no appointments confirmed.
All governance is limited to what can be accomplished by executive orders, and a hostile SCOTUS can halt even that.

If the founders could have envisioned this, they'd have known that they were giving us a pig shit constitution in terms of form of government.
It seemed progressive at the time, but virtually EVERY newer democracy has more efficient government.
Even then, virtually none of those has as polarized a citizenry.

So tell me, those of you who preach unity,

How the hell do you unify this country?
You're not going to do it.
It's not possible to do.
Trying to do it is time better spent on more possible solutions.
PARTITION is the only one of them that needn't involve violence...
but violence remains on the table nonetheless.

Loving America too much to split it up is, in reality, hating it to the point of making it unlivable.
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Then get the fuck out and go live in a location that's already doing the type bullshit you want here.

Biden is on TV preaching unity. How ironic that the party that's done everything it could to show hate for the other side now wants everyone to play nice. Fuck you Joe Biden and the nigger whore you have as a VP.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
Here is the key friend. Take it and put it on your keychain and don't lose it!

"Hate is the only thing to hate itself." [Geeko Sportivo]

And as always, you may quote me on that if you want to!
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As Dr. Irwin Corey told us, hate is by far the most important of all human emotions.
Without it, revenge would be meaningless.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
If the founders could have envisioned this, they'd have known that they were giving us a pig shit constitution in terms of form of government.
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I find it interesting that liberals have spent almost 30 years blaming the founders and the constitution for not being able to do what they want........so much so that they started not caring about muh constitution...

the truth is that neither of you partisan fuckers have cared about the constitution, other than a handful of the parts that you've tortured in to your own interpretations while disregarding it's true intent or referring to the constitution with utter disdain because it's not what you like..........

we are dead as a nation until we fight another long and bloody war and even then, we'll never be free again, nor united. you will end up with an enslaved minority like we had pre civil war first time........congrats
 
Concart said:
I'm actually a pretty smart guy. Republican continue to believe (or pretend they believe) in trickle down economics. They are about to obliterate the ACA with no plan to replace it. They fought Dodd-Frank tooth and nail. Both parties share blame for the current mess, but only one party actually has a platform and ideas. Republican have Donald Trump. They stand for nothing else. Libertarianism always sounds cool in theory. It is totally impractical. There is no such thing as pure capitalism. Government exists to check the greed of corporations. That isn't working as well as it should because of big money in politics. The answer isn't to simply surrender the country to greedy capitalists.
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If you think the government should be in the healthcare business and that taxing those that earn the money in order to give it to those that refuse to do so is a good idea, you're an idiot.

I have a plan to replace Obamacare. Quit treating healthcare as a right and treat it as what it is, a commodity. You buy your coverage, I'll buy mine, and if you think someone that can't do so should have it, you buy it for them, too. If you won't personally do that for them or yourself, go without.
 
CFM said:
If you think the government should be in the healthcare business and that taxing those that earn the money in order to give it to those that refuse to do so is a good idea, you're an idiot.

I have a plan to replace Obamacare. Quit treating healthcare as a right and treat it as what it is, a commodity. You buy your coverage, I'll buy mine, and if you think someone that can't do so should have it, you buy it for them, too. If you won't personally do that for them or yourself, go without.
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I'll pass over the adhom. Whether you view health care as a commodity or a right, your statement shows the ignorance of the cost of health care. Putting aside the human cost (hey, let's not provide kids with health care coverage, that seems like a great idea), there is the financial cost. People will get sick and require healthcare and if they don't have insurance YOU wlll pay for that healthcare. And it will be inefficient and ineffective healthcare that will address a chronic or acute condition rather than preventing it. Your idea would cost the economy trillions of dollars.

As for taxation, again, this is a practical point. The shift of wealth to the upper 1% is unsustainable. The economy runs on consumer spending, and the rich do not spend anywhere near the percentage of their income that the lower and middle classes spend. The idea that there are 'those who don't want' to work is the dog whistling you've been listening to since 1968. Because you believe that idiotic trope, you continue to vote against your self interest. Suit yourself. There is an idiot in this conversation, but it isn't me.
 
It is worth pointing out, I think, that the deeply inadequate US healthcare system costs twice as much as our well-loved NHS, which people care for more than the monarchy or anything else here.
 
Concart said:
I'll pass over the adhom. Whether you view health care as a commodity or a right, your statement shows the ignorance of the cost of health care. Putting aside the human cost (hey, let's not provide kids with health care coverage, that seems like a great idea), there is the financial cost. People will get sick and require healthcare and if they don't have insurance YOU wlll pay for that healthcare. And it will be inefficient and ineffective healthcare that will address a chronic or acute condition rather than preventing it. Your idea would cost the economy trillions of dollars.

As for taxation, again, this is a practical point. The shift of wealth to the upper 1% is unsustainable. The economy runs on consumer spending, and the rich do not spend anywhere near the percentage of their income that the lower and middle classes spend. The idea that there are 'those who don't want' to work is the dog whistling you've been listening to since 1968. Because you believe that idiotic trope, you continue to vote against your self interest. Suit yourself. There is an idiot in this conversation, but it isn't me.
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I fully understand why healthcare costs are too high. Viewing it as a commodity rather than a right is what will bring costs down.

If they get sick, can't pay or bleeding hearts like you won't do it on their behalf, and don't have insurance, they don't get care. It's that simple.

I think providing coverage to kids is a wonderful idea. It's why I provided it to MY kids. It's not my responsibility to provide it to someone else's kids. It's the responsibility of THEIR parents.

As for taxation, what the rich do with what they've earned is their business not yours nor them not spending how you think they should isn't justification for taxing them more so someone that isn't earning it can get some of it.

You're the idiot if you think someone deserves what another person earned. I'm not surprised someone like you that can't earn believes that. You're a leech.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Today's America is two incompatible nations trying--with no success--to live within the same borders and under the same government.

Each side subscribes to ideology that has zero overlap with the ideology of the opposite side.

Neither side can make sufficient concessions to the other without completely abandoning the principles that allow its members to even live with themselves and sleep at night.

Whoever wins a presidential election, 49.75% of the electorate will viscerally hate the new president.

If the new president of either party does not have his/her own party in control of both legislative bodies, he/she can pass no legislation.
If the new president doesn't have his/her own party controlling the senate. he/she can get no appointments confirmed.
All governance is limited to what can be accomplished by executive orders, and a hostile SCOTUS can halt even that.

If the founders could have envisioned this, they'd have known that they were giving us a pig shit constitution in terms of form of government.
It seemed progressive at the time, but virtually EVERY newer democracy has more efficient government.
Even then, virtually none of those has as polarized a citizenry.

So tell me, those of you who preach unity,

How the hell do you unify this country?
You're not going to do it.
It's not possible to do.
Trying to do it is time better spent on more possible solutions.
PARTITION is the only one of them that needn't involve violence...
but violence remains on the table nonetheless.

Loving America too much to split it up is, in reality, hating it to the point of making it unlivable.
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When one of the two is proven to be a lying cheat, divorce is the best outcome.
 
Iolo/Penderyn said:
It is worth pointing out, I think, that the deeply inadequate US healthcare system costs twice as much as our well-loved NHS, which people care for more than the monarchy or anything else here.
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What few times I've used it, it has done well and been adequate. The unnecessary costs come from those unwilling to provide coverage to themselves demanding they still get care. If they can't pay or one of the bleeding heart types that claims to care for them won't do it on their behalf, don't provide the care and see how quickly costs go down.
 
CFM said:
I fully understand why healthcare costs are too high. Viewing it as a commodity rather than a right is what will bring costs down.

If they get sick, can't pay or bleeding hearts like you won't do it on their behalf, and don't have insurance, they don't get care. It's that simple.

I think providing coverage to kids is a wonderful idea. It's why I provided it to MY kids. It's not my responsibility to provide it to someone else's kids. It's the responsibility of THEIR parents.

As for taxation, what the rich do with what they've earned is their business not yours nor them not spending how you think they should isn't justification for taxing them more so someone that isn't earning it can get some of it.

You're the idiot if you think someone deserves what another person earned. I'm not surprised someone like you that can't earn believes that. You're a leech.
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Then why are you more than willing to take what I earn? I am in the top 5% with respect to income and wealth. Why do you feel entitled my money? Just curious.
 
Iolo/Penderyn said:
It is worth pointing out, I think, that the deeply inadequate US healthcare system costs twice as much as our well-loved NHS, which people care for more than the monarchy or anything else here.
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NHS? Is that the one with the Public (Government) Hospitals, Public (Government) paid Doctors and Nurses, and Free to Everyone?
 
Concart said:
Then why are you more than willing to take what I earn? I am in the top 5% with respect to income and wealth. Why do you feel entitled my money? Just curious.
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I'm in the top 1% so I don't need your money. Why do you want what I earn, leech?
 
Dark Soul said:
When one of the two is proven to be a lying cheat, divorce is the best outcome.
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Even more so when each of the two sides considers the other to be sub-human.
I never imagined us agreeing on something, but
you and I should not be citizens of the same nation.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Even more so when each of the two sides considers the other to be sub-human.
I never imagined us agreeing on something, but
you and I should not be citizens of the same nation.
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I agree you shouldn't be part of MY country. Now, get the fuck out before you get moved out.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Even more so when each of the two sides considers the other to be sub-human.
I never imagined us agreeing on something, but
you and I should not be citizens of the same nation.
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As far as I'm concerned we are done with each other. I can't stand even looking at you sons of bitches anymore.
 
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