What evidence exists that unity is possible?

NiftyNiblick said:
Today's America is two incompatible nations trying--with no success--to live within the same borders and under the same government.

Each side subscribes to ideology that has zero overlap with the ideology of the opposite side.

Neither side can make sufficient concessions to the other without completely abandoning the principles that allow its members to even live with themselves and sleep at night.

Whoever wins a presidential election, 49.75% of the electorate will viscerally hate the new president.

If the new president of either party does not have his/her own party in control of both legislative bodies, he/she can pass no legislation.
If the new president doesn't have his/her own party controlling the senate. he/she can get no appointments confirmed.
All governance is limited to what can be accomplished by executive orders, and a hostile SCOTUS can halt even that.

If the founders could have envisioned this, they'd have known that they were giving us a pig shit constitution in terms of form of government.
It seemed progressive at the time, but virtually EVERY newer democracy has more efficient government.
Even then, virtually none of those has as polarized a citizenry.

So tell me, those of you who preach unity,

How the hell do you unify this country?
You're not going to do it.
It's not possible to do.
Trying to do it is time better spent on more possible solutions.
PARTITION is the only one of them that needn't involve violence...
but violence remains on the table nonetheless.

Loving America too much to split it up is, in reality, hating it to the point of making it unlivable.
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A split up is probably the only way to resolve our problems. Joe Biden will try to work things out the "we can all get along" way...but I doubt he will be successful.

We need to break the United States into AT LEAST three countries...with some kind of working agreement amongst them. (The danger is that we may end up like India and Pakistan.)

The West Coast has a natural constituency...just as does the Northern East Coast.

What may be needed, however, is a massive asteroid strike.

Democracy, strangely enough, may be the problem. Democracy leads to Libertarianism...and Libertarianism leads to anarchy and chaos.

We are seeing that play out...and have not evolved enough philosophically to deal with the problem reasonably.

As I suggested, what may be needed is a massive asteroid strike.
 
CFM said:
I'm in the top 1% so I don't need your money. Why do you want what I earn, leech?
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LOL, sure buddy. The fact is that I believe the rich should pay their fair share, so your position and mine are different. I'd love to have a objective fact based debate on taxation and health care, but you don't seem up to it.
 
Jack said:
But ... but that's Communism.
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Wicked socialism, kid, and a bloody sight better and more decent than selling health. Were I an American i'd probably have been dead six tears ago, or have had to sell my house. Much as that might appeal to you, we prefer being fit and well.
 
Frank Apisa said:
A split up is probably the only way to resolve our problems. Joe Biden will try to work things out the "we can all get along" way...but I doubt he will be successful.

We need to break the United States into AT LEAST three countries...with some kind of working agreement amongst them. (The danger is that we may end up like India and Pakistan.)

The West Coast has a natural constituency...just as does the Northern East Coast.

What may be needed, however, is a massive asteroid strike.

Democracy, strangely enough, may be the problem. Democracy leads to Libertarianism...and Libertarianism leads to anarchy and chaos.

We are seeing that play out...and have not evolved enough philosophically to deal with the problem reasonably.

As I suggested, what may be needed is a massive asteroid strike.
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There was an Election. A Moderate candidate won. Biden can 'horse-trade' with McConnell. I really don't see a Problem.
 
Concart said:
LOL, sure buddy. The fact is that I believe the rich should pay their fair share, so your position and mine are different. I'd love to have a objective fact based debate on taxation and health care, but you don't seem up to it.
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Just like you claim of being in the 5%.

The difference is you don't think the rich pay their fair share and I know we do.

I'd love for you to prove your 5% claim but you don't seem to be up to doing that.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Democracy, strangely enough, may be the problem. Democracy leads to Libertarianism...and Libertarianism leads to anarchy and chaos.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

the top idiot post of the century........................even better than any of Domers moronic posts.....................
 
Iolo/Penderyn said:
Wicked socialism, kid, and a bloody sight better and more decent than selling health. Were I an American i'd probably have been dead six tears ago, or have had to sell my house. Much as that might appeal to you, we prefer being fit and well.
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We have that 'wicked socialism' here in our Public School System. The Buildings are built and financed by the State. The Teachers are paid by the State. And it's Free to every child.
It's Communism. And just because every other Industrialized Country in the World has a National Health Plan, we're too smart to fall for that Commie Trickery.
 
Iolo/Penderyn said:
Wicked socialism, kid, and a bloody sight better and more decent than selling health. Were I an American i'd probably have been dead six tears ago, or have had to sell my house. Much as that might appeal to you, we prefer being fit and well.
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Since healthcare is a commodity and not a right, if you aren't willing to provide it to yourself, you should go without.
 
Jack said:
We have that 'wicked socialism' here in our Public School System. The Buildings are built and financed by the State. The Teachers are paid by the State. And it's Free to every child.
It's Communism. And just because every other Industrialized Country in the World has a National Health Plan, we're too smart to fall for that Commie Trickery.
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They're financed by the taxpayers that get the shittiest work possible because the State takes the lowest bidder without regard to quality.

Several years ago, the school in my neighborhood was having a roof redone. When I saw the company doing the work, I knew it would leak. It didn't take long before that prediction came true. A heavy rain came through, the roof leaked, and the water destroyed every computer in the computer lab.
 
CFM said:
Since healthcare is a commodity and not a right, if you aren't willing to provide it to yourself, you should go without.
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They provide a Common Plan for Health. Sorta' like we provide for a Common Plan for Defense. Does it make sense to you to provide for the common defense of America?
 
Jack said:
They provide a Common Plan for Health. Sorta' like we provide for a Common Plan for Defense. Does it make sense to you to provide for the common defense of America?
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Our common plan for defense is written into the Constitution. Nothing related to healthcare is written into our Constitution. That's why the common defense isn't a problem and common healthcare run by the government is.
 
CFM said:
They're financed by the taxpayers that get the shittiest work possible because the State takes the lowest bidder without regard to quality.

Several years ago, the school in my neighborhood was having a roof redone. When I saw the company doing the work, I knew it would leak. It didn't take long before that prediction came true. A heavy rain came through, the roof leaked, and the water destroyed every computer in the computer lab.
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:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

President Trump went to a Government Hospital, with Government paid Doctors and Nurses, when he tested positive for COVID. It was Free. And he isn't complaining about the service provided.
 
Iolo/Penderyn said:
It is OUR right, peasant, because we live in a civilised country.
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There is nothing civilized about expecting the government to do for you what you should be doing for yourself.

As for being a peasant, I'm not the one that expects the government to do for me what you want it to do for you.
 
CFM said:
There is nothing civilized about expecting the government to do for you what you should be doing for yourself.

As for being a peasant, I'm not the one that expects the government to do for me what you want it to do for you.
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We have a government we elect to handle our property, kid. Only nutters allow profiteers to buy and sell life.
 
Iolo/Penderyn said:
We have a government we elect to handle our property, kid. Only nutters allow profiteers to buy and sell life.
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Only freeloaders expect the government to provide for them what they refuse to, but should be, providing themselves. That you elect someone you want to take care of you proves you're a freeloader.
 
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