What is the driving force of Islamic Jihad

Oh, you're jumping into the "who's a real Christian" game? No thanks: I'll pass. So many Christians disagree with you -- Unitarians and many Methodists, right off -- that I prefer to simply dismiss your assertion. It is NOT straightforward. Not if disagreement on such a fundamental point can continue to this day. Prima facie evidence.

:p

No. He's jumping into the "intepreting scripture in a straightforward manner" game.
 
No. He's jumping into the "intepreting scripture in a straightforward manner" game.

As opposed to the usual xtian way of interpreting scripture to justify whichever prejudice is flavour of the month?
 
No. He's jumping into the "intepreting scripture in a straightforward manner" game.

As opposed to the usual xtian way of interpreting scripture to justify whichever prejudice is flavour of the month?
Well, it seems that particular pendulum swings in both directions. At least according to the thread's participants.

But, as I said, it really doesn't matter to me. Those who believe the way described are closer to my belief system than the other. I just take what I read and apply it accordingly. I would not be a christian for many reasons, this is one of them.
 
most modern Islamic clerics and scholars don't advocate violence of any kind.
Yeah, not around outsiders.
It's only the extremists and "fundamentalists" of the two religions who want implement these ancient doctrines.


Except that the christian world has gone through a massive secularization movement and the islamic world hasn't, and doesn't appear to be heading in that direction.
 
Well, it seems that particular pendulum swings in both directions. At least according to the thread's participants.

But, as I said, it really doesn't matter to me. Those who believe the way described are closer to my belief system than the other. I just take what I read and apply it accordingly. I would not be a christian for many reasons, this is one of them.

All such texts can be interpreted to suit the reader's perspective, be they Xtian, Muslim or misc.... vagueness and obscurity are essential aspects of religious texts. That is also why it is so easy to find contradictions in them.
 
Except that the christian world has gone through a massive secularization movement and the islamic world hasn't, and doesn't appear to be heading in that direction.

Has Christianity gone through secularisation voluntarily?
 
Except that the christian world has gone through a massive secularization movement and the islamic world hasn't, and doesn't appear to be heading in that direction.

Has Christianity gone through secularisation voluntarily?
No, it has not.

In fact, the secularization of the "Christian" world is as much the result of economic factors as anything else. You see it happen in predominately Muslim countries too: once the standard of living for the majority rises to near equivalency with the Western nations, religious authority begins to lose its grip.
 
No, it has not.

In fact, the secularization of the "Christian" world is as much the result of economic factors as anything else. You see it happen in predominately Muslim countries too: once the standard of living for the majority rises to near equivalency with the Western nations, religious authority begins to lose its grip.



Secularization only occurs when the elites in control want it to.

this is the same argument the globalist use to explain how slavery in china will magically end. It's magical thinking.
 
Except that the christian world has gone through a massive secularization movement and the islamic world hasn't, and doesn't appear to be heading in that direction.

Has Christianity gone through secularisation voluntarily?

Who forced christianity through the secularization process?
 
Oh I think led willingly is a better phrase. Just as we have been led willingly into globalization of our country.
 
Oh I think led willingly is a better phrase. Just as we have been led willingly into globalization of our country.


The truth is out there....

http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

Following are apparently extracts of the letter, showing how Three World Wars have been planned for many generations.

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions." 2

Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm." 3

After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China.

(Readers who argue that the terms Nazism and Zionism were not known in 1871 should remember that the Illuminati invented both these movements. In addition, Communism as an ideology, and as a coined phrase, originates in France during the Revolution. In 1785, Restif coined the phrase four years before revolution broke out. Restif and Babeuf, in turn, were influenced by Rousseau - as was the most famous conspirator of them all, Adam Weishaupt.)

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." 4

Since the terrorist attacks of Sept 11, 2001, world events, and in particular in the Middle East, show a growing unrest and instability between Modern Zionism and the Arabic World. This is completely in line with the call for a Third World War to be fought between the two, and their allies on both sides. This Third World War is still to come, and recent events show us that it is not far off.
 
Call it want you will AHZ, it is my observation, not a belief system or doctrine system, just an observation of mine.
 
Call it want you will AHZ, it is my observation, not a belief system or doctrine system, just an observation of mine.


It is a belief system. It's a belief system that morality is a lie that the old tell the young so they can take advantage of them. It is the belief that ultimately anything that brings might or dominance is permissible. It is a commitment to totalitarianism and inequality, in the abstract.
 
Don't be a Jerry Falwell.

If you're going to boil this down to some crazy shit written in the Koran, we have, we have truly lost any opportunity to "win" this war on terror. Nutbags from all religions can point to crazy shit in the bible, the koran, or the torah, as inspiration for violent acts. Those are only symptons and excuses, not causes.


Thats' not the fundemental driving force of al qaeda's ideology.

I suggest reading the seminal non-partisan works on al qaedas goals, motivations and ideology - by Michel Scheuer, former head of the Bin Ladin Unit at the CIA.

1) "Through our enemies eyes", 2002 by Michael Scheuer
2) "Imperial Hubris", 2004, by Michael Scheuer.


BTW: Michael Scheuer is a Reagan Republican.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Scheuer

Scheuer describes his thesis: "[T]he crux of my argument is simply that America is in a war with militant Islamists that it cannot avoid; one that it cannot talk or appease its way out of; one in which our irreconcilable Islamist foes will have to be killed, an act which unavoidably will lead to innocent deaths; and one that is motivated in large measure by the impact of U.S. foreign policies in the Islamic world, one of which is unqualified U.S. support for Israel." [5] The book also documents a number of areas in which Scheuer believed Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein cooperated. [6]


He's just an anti-semite. He's just saying the Jews don't deserve the land god gave them. He's anti -god!
 
It is a belief system. It's a belief system that morality is a lie that the old tell the young so they can take advantage of them. It is the belief that ultimately anything that brings might or dominance is permissible. It is a commitment to totalitarianism and inequality, in the abstract.

label it if you must file it that way. I just see the truth of the matter.

Why we do anything could be labeled a belief system if you must do it that way.

I have a belief system that I should not murder or steal, etc...
Morals are belief systems....
 
label it if you must file it that way. I just see the truth of the matter.

Why we do anything could be labeled a belief system if you must do it that way.

I have a belief system that I should not murder or steal, etc...
Morals are belief systems....

Fine. Don't examine the complex web of interrelated moral qualities and how they effect and are effected by the material, spiritual, human, animal, and vaporous.
 
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