What would the ideal leftist America look like?

It was never intended to flow to the ebb and tide of populist fashion the way your fascists desire.

That is exactly what its purpose was, and you would know that if you weren't the stupidest fucking person on this thread.

That's why every single vote in the House and Senate until 1837 was done along majority lines.
 
Anyone can participate of course but I'm interested in hearing from leftists what America would like if every leftist ideal was realized. What would America be like? What would you do once every perceived injustice has been corrected?

No dumb people.
 
Anyone can participate of course but I'm interested in hearing from leftists what America would like if every leftist ideal was realized. What would America be like? What would you do once every perceived injustice has been corrected?

Here's what it would look like...not that much different from what it looks like now, only everyone will have health care, a guaranteed education up through and including college, a place to live that doesn't suck, a job that pays a living wage, a society where two (or more) consenting adults can enter into a marriage, taxed churches, publicly funded elections, criminalization of lobbying and political action committees, no guns, the freedom to do whatever you want with your own body, taco trucks on every corner and weed stores in every shopping plaza.

We already know what a Conservative America looks like because we just lived through it during Trump and it resulted in 1M dead from COVID, 30M jobs lost, and Nazis attacking the Capitol over the stupidest lie ever told.
 
how do you plan to 'fix' that gap when the people creating that gap are the ones you vote for?

We didn't vote for the Republicans and Conservatives, you did you fucking asshole.

"Why won't you fix the thing I keep breaking?"

Because that would mean fixing YOU, and you don't want to be fixed because you're a fucking turd.
 
Herr Comrade, that's why the amendment process is built into the Constitution.

Right, but does that same process apply to regular, conventional legislation? No. That's originally all majority votes, which is the point you're trying to not make but are making anyway.

Remember, you started off this by arguing that there are somehow minority protections in the Constitution despite not being able to produce a single example of it.

Then you tried to rig Impeachment and Amendment to distract from the clearly majority vote that applied to every other vote in Congress until 1837.


It was never intended to flow to the ebb and tide of populist fashion the way your fascists desire.

You should stop using words you don't know the meaning of...like assumption, supposition, and fascism.

You should stick to words with one or two syllables.
 
Would you perform open-heart surgery on your spouse because "you want to think for yourself", or would you leave that job to the professionals?

Tu Quoque fallacy using ignoratio elenchi. That is, your question is irrelevant to the issue and asking it the way you did leads to conclusions you drew for me. Schooling isn't a life or death outcome. At the same time, what one gets as an education can cover a quite broad array of things. For example, you might think that learning and believing in a particular religion is irrelevant, while someone else thinks it is central to being a good citizen.

What you should be asking yourself is Why should the state, and the state alone, decide what my children's education will be?
 
You sound like that nut Intothenight talking about fallacies.

No, I explain mine in some detail, not make them up out of thin air. I see no reason that isn't appropriate as part of a response. Now, if I just said you committed some logical fallacy and nothing more, you'd have a point.
 
At the same time, what one gets as an education can cover a quite broad array of things. For example, you might think that learning and believing in a particular religion is irrelevant, while someone else thinks it is central to being a good citizen.

I would ask how they think that is central to being a good citizen, but I know you'd just say that question was irrelevant because you couldn't answer it.
 
What you should be asking yourself is Why should the state, and the state alone, decide what my children's education will be?

Because you're not a teacher, so you haven't had that training.

You're not an administrator, so you haven't had that training.

You're not even qualified to pick up the trash in the school because you haven't had that training.

So asking a dumb question like this only reveals the fact that you don't know what you're talking about because you never had that training.
 
My questions only seem to be irrelevant when you don't have an answer for them.

You asked this question.

Would you perform open-heart surgery on your spouse because "you want to think for yourself", or would you leave that job to the professionals?

It is a complex question. You know the original, Do you still beat your wife?

Your question is no more relevant than that. First, education isn't a matter of life or death as an outcome. Second, education doesn't take place as a single event using a single person doing it over a very short period of time.

As to the answer, which doesn't address your question directly, but is an answer,

I would rather have a passionate, knowledgeable, amateur in a ramshackle classroom teaching a subject, to a professional that has a mediocre grasp of the subject knowledge and no real passion for teaching it in the most modern and well-equipped classroom in existence. This is not comparable to doing surgery either. You make a very poor example for comparison.
 
Tell that to the hundreds of kids who have been killed while attending school.

Oh wait, you can't...so maybe say that to their parents. I'm sure they'd love to hear it.

Now you are making a non sequitur. School shootings are not part of the education process unless you are claiming that is the case and it is educators killing them for reasons related to getting an education.
 
Because you're not a teacher, so you haven't had that training.

You're not an administrator, so you haven't had that training.

You're not even qualified to pick up the trash in the school because you haven't had that training.

So asking a dumb question like this only reveals the fact that you don't know what you're talking about because you never had that training.

Irrelevant appeal to authority. Just because someone got a degree in education or whatever, doesn't mean they know shit about how to do it. Look at our current First Lady, Doctor Jill Biden. Her doctoral dissertation is a fucking joke. It isn't close to being doctoral material.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20407101-jill-jacobsbiden_dissertation

By comparison, here's a master's thesis I pulled because the guy did it on a subject I was researching for one of my military history projects:

https://scholarworks.iupui.edu/bitstream/handle/1805/5517/JB2 Thesis Final.pdf?sequence=1

It's twice as long as Biden's and easily 10 if not 100 times better researched and written.

That shows you the fallacy of your argument. Nothing but an irrelevant appeal to authority.
 
Would you perform open-heart surgery on your spouse because "you want to think for yourself", or would you leave that job to the professionals?

The medical profession is telling us big lies. If our insides were like they say, if you stood on your head all your organs would slosh down toward your head. If you laid down, they would slosh to the side. Nope, we are all the same all the way through like a potato or a tree.
My son was complaining about pain on his side. I will be out in the garage cleaning up the power tools for when he gets home.
 
Irrelevant appeal to authority. Just because someone got a degree in education or whatever, doesn't mean they know shit about how to do it. Look at our current First Lady, Doctor Jill Biden. Her doctoral dissertation is a fucking joke. It isn't close to being doctoral material.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20407101-jill-jacobsbiden_dissertation

By comparison, here's a master's thesis I pulled because the guy did it on a subject I was researching for one of my military history projects:

https://scholarworks.iupui.edu/bitstream/handle/1805/5517/JB2 Thesis Final.pdf?sequence=1

It's twice as long as Biden's and easily 10 if not 100 times better researched and written.

That shows you the fallacy of your argument. Nothing but an irrelevant appeal to authority.

you are a fucking asshole
 
It is a complex question. You know the original, Do you still beat your wife?

No, it's not a complex question and you don't need to make these excuses...you can just say that you think it's dumb for an unqualified person to make decisions that require qualifications.

Unless you believe that you are entitled to make decisions and choices without being qualified to do so...?
 
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