What's your spiritual faith and why do you believe in it?

I believe in what is provable.


believe whatever you want.

DONT expect the rest of us to have to conform our lives to the perimeters of you mythical beliefs
 
evince said:
I believe in what is provable.


believe whatever you want.

DONT expect the rest of us to have to conform our lives to the perimeters of you mythical beliefs
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Do you agree that there is a lot to this world that is not provable?
 
Jarod said:
Do you agree that there is a lot to this world that is not provable?
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I think everything is provable, it just isn't in our knowledge base at this point in time.

Think of how much more we understand now as compared to 700 BCE.
 
Sardonic said:
I think everything is provable, it just isn't in our knowledge base at this point in time.

Think of how much more we understand now as compared to 700 BCE.
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I agree with that, but clearly not everything is provable based on todays knowledge or capability.
 
iolo said:
Was brought up as a Christian Socialist and am now a Sort-of-Buddhist Socialist, since gods seem unlikely. The key point is to realise that people are not for anything and start treating them properly, as Jesus certainly recommended. I tried the Quakers for a bit, but found they'd got too naïve to be worth the bother.
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Religious socialists are little collectivist softies who've always lack the conviction to get things done. That's provided they can keep themselves out of prison long enough to try. Harrington wrote that their only purpose was call churchgoers to socialism, then be made irrelevant by the progress which they help create.
 
Jarod said:
Yes, that is a better way of putting it, God's presence emanates from all things. I would consider it monotheism, as I don't believe it is different Gods, its one consistent God, in fact its a kind of super universal monotheism. In fact, if you believe in a separate "devil" are you not worshiping more than one God?
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Ok I see your view and actually your view is the most common. I actually agree (althought I consider myself agnostic-theist) I think there is some sort of "majestic" quality that all living and non-living things have. Very interesting Jarod thanks for sharing!
 
evince said:
I believe in what is provable.


believe whatever you want.

DONT expect the rest of us to have to conform our lives to the perimeters of you mythical beliefs
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I agree but the provable aspect is what a lot of people tend to not have which is where faith comes in.....Whether God is myth, conjecture, or real depends on the person.
 
Sun Devil said:
Ah, the typical "Pascal's Wager" philosophical response! But an atheist can live a virtuous life similar (if not the same) as the Christian. I think morality is not a matter of metaphysical beliefs. Right and wrong action is both a personal and collective perspective. Also, if he is wrong and the Muslim is right he is doomed to suffer for all eternity, not because he is Christian but because he associated partners with God.
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the question put did not involve which god and I believe it was a capital G so that lets allah out. But assuming it was belief in whomever and were there no whoever then having lived a rightous life is worthwild. But for the other who lived what he consideted a rightous life and eschewed God he better hope he considered correctly and God is feeling charitable. Big roll of the dice IMO.
 
Sardonic said:
I don't think you are as scary as you want to sound.
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I really don't want to sound scary, but I am very, very religiously and socially conservative.

I also do not think you believe the rights and wrongs as found in the Bible.
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I do indeed believe that ... with all authority for today residing in the New Testament. While I believe the Old Testament was every bit true, the Mosaic law wasn't intended to be permanent. It ended when Christ died on the cross.

I don't think you would keep a slave so they could repay a debt.
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No, I wouldn't. But there was a time in the not so distant history that it was a widely held practice. Paul wrote about how to behave as a Christian if you were a an indentured servant or were one who had authority over indentured servants.

I don't think you would stone a disobedient child or an adulterer,
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Nope, OT/Mosaic code practice. But I will spank a disobedient child and will/have tell an adulterer they are in sin in hopes that they will correct their behavior.

but maybe after all these years, I don't know you very well.

;)
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Nah, I suspect that after all these years you know me quite well...I have changed very little. Well, I'm gray and balder, but you know. :)
 
Sun Devil said:
But once paint is on the walls it becomes a part of it and it actually defines the walls....Depending on color =)
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Depending on how you wish to define the walls. There are other physical characteristics of them, such as construction, height, bullet holes, Etc.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
again no.....Pascal's Wager is that one should believe, because it costs him nothing if he's wrong and he's in heaven if he's right......CG's statement was that he's living his life the way he believes it should be lived, regardless of whether there's a God or not........
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You ruined his ham handed "gotcha" attempt... touche!
 
Celticguy said:
You ruined his ham handed "gotcha" attempt... touche!
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The problem with Pascal's Wager is that it doesn't account for highly specific requirements for a worthwhile afterlife. For example, if the case were to be that in order to reach a heaven-esque space, you needed to dispose of orange peels by burning them in wine, then Pascal's Wager would be made irrelevant. Because its assumption is that by believing and practising one faith, you meet the requirements of all potential correct faiths.
 
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