Where would you rank Donald Trump amongst the greatest or worst US Presidents ever?

What has he done that is worse than invading a sovereign nation that was no threat to use...costing the lives of over 4000 US service members and costing close to 2 trillion dollars?

he took the help of a hostile foreign government to Thwart our Democracy


that makes him the worst
 
Hello and welcome Gunny2009,

What has he done that is worse than invading a sovereign nation that was no threat to use...costing the lives of over 4000 US service members and costing close to 2 trillion dollars?

Plenty. The worst thing he has done has been to deny climate change and pull out of Paris.

Humans don't have a very good record of being able to put differences aside and cooperate on a matter of mutual benefit. It is amazing that every nation on Earth signed on to reduce emissions. It takes the worst president in history to think that he alone knows better than the rest of the world, including the majority of scientists and educated people, and to pull us out of that, even though most of the nation thinks we should stay in.

President Trump has hurt the already difficult efforts of humanity to save humanity from humanity.

He doesn't display much empathy for others. He is the most self-centered and greedy president in history. That he and his ego are the only thing keeping the USA at odds with the rest of the world on climate change alone makes him the worst president in history. It is already dauntingly challenging for the world to deal with climate change. We need our leaders working with us, not against humanity.

And for what? The sake of money? Man. That's about as greedy as one can get.

Hands down. Not even close.

The Worst.
 
Ohhhh, OK. whatever prog bitch.

I think Trump is a better POTUS than Obama and in your little sheep mind I am still a Prog because I will not swallow after I blow him like you do.

You partisan sheep are so damn boring...the same on every forum.

You lack the basic intelligence to understand that a few of us are not do not fall under either party.
 
I think Trump is a better POTUS than Obama and in your little sheep mind I am still a Prog because I will not swallow after I blow him like you do.

You partisan sheep are so damn boring...the same on every forum.

You lack the basic intelligence to understand that a few of us are not do not fall under either party.

Ok, whatever.
 
From a Canadian POV, Obams is being seriously considered to be one of the best. That is because he did a huge amount of good toward eliminating racism in the US

And that needs to be considered in contrast to Trump who has done the most of any president in history to bring it all back.

So judgment on Trump should be reserved until he's out of office.

And I think I can safely say that the rest of the world's civilized countries can say that same as Canadians are saying. With the exception of Russia right now who are seeing some hope in Trump, as opposed to some of the alternatives that will rise up eventually. But alas, even Russia is beginning to see the loss of hope in Trump.
 
I do not need to re-position myself. If I am wrong about Trump conspiring with the Russians then I will admit that I was wrong. It has happened once or twice in my lifetime! :laugh:

Cool. I can respect that, if it's truly what you will do.
 
What has he done that is worse than invading a sovereign nation that was no threat to use...costing the lives of over 4000 US service members and costing close to 2 trillion dollars?

I'd say calling Nazis "very fine people" is just as bad as illegal invasions and occupations of sovereign nations.

I'd say taking Russia's side in targeted poisonings, taking Saudi Arabia's side in murdering journalists, and taking North Korea's side on sanction relief is just as bad, if not worse, than the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq.

I'd say not accepting what the US Intelligence Agencies tell him is pretty fucking horrible.

I never questioned Bush the Dumber's loyalty to this country; however, I do question Trump's.
 
I'd say calling Nazis "very fine people" is just as bad as illegal invasions and occupations of sovereign nations.

I'd say taking Russia's side in targeted poisonings, taking Saudi Arabia's side in murdering journalists, and taking North Korea's side on sanction relief is just as bad, if not worse, than the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq.

I'd say not accepting what the US Intelligence Agencies tell him is pretty fucking horrible.

I never questioned Bush the Dumber's loyalty to this country; however, I do question Trump's.

Those things are all bad, but none of the compare to more than 4000 dead and 30,000 wounded US service members.
 
There is no comparison of legitimate presidents to one man who was never legitimate to begin with!

When you cheat to win, commit crimes, join forces with adversary governments, commit treasonous acts, accept illegal funds, Lie about your opponents, AND DON'T WIN THE POPULAR VOTE- you are not a legitimate president!

Donald Trump is a propped up phony- a traitor- a crook- a cheater- a liar- and a felon- and that is how he will go down in history!
 
There is no comparison of legitimate presidents to one man who was never legitimate to begin with!

When you cheat to win, commit crimes, join forces with adversary governments, commit treasonous acts, accept illegal funds, Lie about your opponents, AND DON'T WIN THE POPULAR VOTE- you are not a legitimate president!

He did not cheat to win, Hillary ran the worst campaign in the history of the country, even worse than Bush I's reelection campaign.

Then she basically quit campaign in August, not visiting the three states that gave Trump the win, and he won the 3 by less than 1% total.
 
He did not cheat to win, Hillary ran the worst campaign in the history of the country, even worse than Bush I's reelection campaign.

Then she basically quit campaign in August, not visiting the three states that gave Trump the win, and he won the 3 by less than 1% total.

Go ahead and write that book! The vocal majority will never buy it! But, I dare you to try! LOL!
 
He did not cheat to win

Come on...of course he did. That's why you cheat...to win. You don't cheat to lose.


Hillary ran the worst campaign in the history of the country

Totally disagree. Clinton got 3,000,000 more votes than Trump, and her total vote count was surpassed only by Obama in 2008 and 2012....and the margin between 2012 and 2016 was statistically insignificant.


Then she basically quit campaign in August, not visiting the three states that gave Drumpf the win, and he won the 3 by less than 1% total.

She most definitely did not quit campaigning. Spending more time in those states wasn't going to counteract the Russian interference efforts on social media. It's silly to imagine her physical presence in those states would have counteracted the Russian narratives specifically targeting those states.
 
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