Why do right wingers always bash education?

BidenPresident said:
DeVos in Michigan is a good example. She owned several private schools and bashed the public education system.
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And how do the students of those schools fare against students of the school to prison pipeline in standardized testing?

No need to answer, EVERYONE here already knows.
 
Nordberg said:
America had the best education in the world for many decades. However, the wealthy saw profits in education. They wanted to take it over. Their first step was to convince people that teachers are a great problem and education was terrible and keep pounding it until it is believed by the masses. Then defund it. Make it dependent on property taxes. That of course means a lot more money in suburbs and wealthy enclaves.
The super-wealthy have no interest in funding healthcare or education for the dirty masses. That money belongs to them.
The public education system in the 50s and 60s was so much better. The DeVos types took it over.
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The public education system in the 50's and 60's was segregated. Is that what you are suggesting we go back to? Were those segregated schools better for minority students? We also spent far less money on ESL learners. Should we try to recreate that as well? Many women were not allowed in the work force so many of the best and brightest women went into teaching. Today they become CEO's, entrepreneurs etc. Should we recreate the conditions where they go back to being teachers again?
 
archives said:
Education is, and always has been, one of the few public entities that is basically defenseless. Teachers have a Union, but it is not a traditional blue color Union, and is too disjointed to offer any kind of unified rebuttal. But the field itself is totally vulnerable to attacks of any kind, in other words, it is easy
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Dude, teachers unions are arguably the most powerful unions in the country.

You want just one example: the party that claims to believe in science, the Democrats, kept schools closed even though science said it was safe to reopen because of the power of the teachers unions

That's not some disjointed group.
 
BidenPresident said:
Never once have you even bothered to address one of my arguments.
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You make no arguments.

This thread is mindless slander and bigotry.

You provide nothing to support your lie that conservatives oppose education - you just spew mindless hate - with your fellow Nazi drones nodding in unison.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
ROFLMAO

The teachers unions are the most powerful union in the nation.

Further, like all public unions, there is no counterbalance.

In traditional, that is legitimate unions, the union and owners have an adversarial symbiosis. With public "unions" there are no owners, management is made3 up of union members and there is no offset to the predation by the unions on public funds.
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Who the hell still uses acronyms? What, you stuck in junior high?

As I said, the Teacher Union is disjointed on a national level, they don’t bargain collectively with local school boards, nor are party to big contracts, like education itself, that is all done on a local level

In addition, they only protect the profession, not education itself which is under constant attack
 
Republicans, at least the constitutional ones, do not bash education itself. They bash the idea that the Federal Government has any rightful power to oversee and control education. It is not one of the powers given the Federal government in the constitution and therefore is one of the powers given to the States (or the individual).

I have never heard any republican argue that the States should not be in charge of educating their children, only against the Federal Government holding any sway in the process, it is not their power, it is not something they should have a foothold in.

I think this is a bit like Fauci saying he "is science", he isn't. Nor is the Department of Education "education" itself, it is just an unconstitutional power grab by the grabbers.
 
Damocles said:
Republicans, at least the constitutional ones, do not bash education itself. They bash the idea that the Federal Government has any rightful power to oversee and control education. It is not one of the powers given the Federal government in the constitution and therefore is one of the powers given to the States (or the individual
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Tired of explaining this to you idiots. The federal government has the right to do what it wants IF NOT EXPLICITLY PREVENTED BY THE CONSTITUTION.

My god, you righties are fucking stupid.
 
As I noted at the offset, wingers pick on education because it is defenseless, easy mark, especially if one wanted to promote the “woke” conspiracy. Cherry pick one example in nowhereland and it is easily generalized to erroneously characterize education as a whole, a strategic specialty of the right wing media

Education has to be one of the few fields where anybody anywhere regardless of their experience, knowledge, education, or understanding of the discipline can, and more than often, do, attack it as if they were conversant of the field. You don’t see that happening with a plumber, engineer, doctor, or any other profession
 
BidenPresident said:
Tired of explaining this to you idiots. The federal government has the right to do what it wants IF NOT EXPLICITLY PREVENTED BY THE CONSTITUTION.

My god, you righties are fucking stupid.
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The constitution says:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
 
The Department of Justice is not established by the Constitution. It was created in 1870.

No surprise you stupid right winger do not know the history of your own government.
 
Damocles said:
Republicans, at least the constitutional ones, do not bash education itself. They bash the idea that the Federal Government has any rightful power to oversee and control education.
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EXACTLY. This is a monumental failure of our constitution that needs to be ignored if it can't be changed.

Leaving control of education to local yokel school committees in backwater hinterlands is one of several reasons why American education is so inadequate.
Failing to adequately fund it is the other really big one.

The Department of Education should assume complete control of American public education,
and all of its top officials, including the cabinet secretary him/herself, should be required to have accredited doctorates in education.

Education is the very worst place to apply populist principles.
If there's anyplace where elites should be in complete control, it's education.
 
BidenPresident said:
So? Cite where it says a Department of Education shall not be established.
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It is a power not given to the United States. The constitution states if it is not given to the United States it is reserved for the States or the people... They knew they could not list every power, so they listed which powers they had, then listed some negative rights that they could not interfere in, noted that not all the rights are listed, then noted that if the power was not listed as for the Federal Government it was then either a power exercised by the States or by The People.

I cited exactly where it tells them that this is a power for the states.

This is the exact reason that when the Department was established they controlled only the free lunch. Because education actually is a power withheld for the states.
 
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