Why isn't Trump getting Dixie Chicked?

Thing1 said:
LOL - that EW cover story is perfect.

Read the lyrics to "Not Ready to Make Nice," SF. Then let me know how you think all of that hate from the right was perceived in terms of free speech.
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You mean from the ones that got spurned? Yeah, imagine that... they said something, someone else said they didn't like it, the two sides got in a fight about it... shocking that one side would right mean lyrics about the other side.

Your desperation is showing. The EW cover and the song... PROVE MY POINT. They were not silenced and they sure as hell weren't intimidated as you keep pretending.
 
Konono said:
LMFAO. Thing doesn't think people should respond to dissent. Does he say the same thing when liberals call for boycotts of conservatives?

They had several interviews about it and made a hit song about the event. Yeah, their speech was chilled to the tune of millions of dollars from the song that spoke out directly about the incident.

LOL.
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Re: the bolded. I do.

I have spoken about boycotts many times on this board. I am not ideological about them, at all.

Again, for those on the right in denial - there is now an expression in our lexicon called getting "Dixie Chicked," which is synonymous with blacklisting.
 
Superfreak said:
Again you fucking moron... Saying it in 2003 prior to the war starting, so soon after 9/11, against a sitting President is NOT the fucking same as a guy running for President for the same party criticizing a FORMER President who hasn't been in office for 7+ years. It isn't even fucking close to being the same. There is therefore NO hypocrisy.



Ahh... here we go... the standard left wing bullshit. When proven wrong start shouting about conservative talk radio people. Hilarious.
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I've tried to explain to him the differences, but he just can't grasp it. He thinks 13 years and post war does not make a damn difference. He has dug his heels in and will never admit he is wrong.
 
Thing1 said:
Now, you're moving the goalpost. Because you're losing.

My argument is that the kind of organized boycotts & intimidation that we saw directed against the Chicks had a chilling effect on free speech, and was meant only to close down opinions that those who engaged in them disagreed with. And that's all it was for. It wasn't to offer a counter-opinion, or add to the marketplace of ideas.

It was to intimidate & shut people up. To have a chilling effect on free speech. As I said in the beginning, to deny that is foolish. It's fact.
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LMAO... you are the only one that has shifted the goal posts and you have done it multiple times.

No... do country music fans get asked on to ABC to voice their opinions? No. Are most of them song writers that can express themselves via their music? NO.

They voice THEIR opinions in the manner in which THEY have the power. In this case, it is with the dollars they use to purchase music. The radio stations made their decisions based on what they felt was in THEIR best interest.

Saying they aren't adding to the marketplace of ideas??? ROFLMAO... what the fuck did the ditzie chicks ADD???

Oh yeah... nothing.
 
Thing1 said:
Re: the bolded. I do.

I have spoken about boycotts many times on this board. I am not ideological about them, at all.

Again, for those on the right in denial - there is now an expression in our lexicon called getting "Dixie Chicked," which is synonymous with blacklisting.
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What about all the conservative pundits etc., who have lost their jobs over comments they made? You truly have blinders on.
 
Konono said:
I've tried to explain to him the differences, but he just can't grasp it. He thinks 13 years and post war does not make a damn difference. He has dug his heels in and will never admit he is wrong.
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Ironic, considering that I was right, and was called a traitor for it.

Now with you cowards on the right, it's all "well, it's so many years later - it's so clear it was wrong now." I can't help it if you were too stupid to see that in '03.
 
Thing1 said:
You're confusing "chilled" with "taking away the right."

No one is suggesting or saying that the Chicks or anyone else didn't have the "right" to speak after that. But many were definitely afraid to. That is being "chilled."
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Then you believe that conservative pundits who use racial slurs or pundits who make crass jokes, should not lose their job?
 
Superfreak said:
LMAO... you are the only one that has shifted the goal posts and you have done it multiple times.

No... do country music fans get asked on to ABC to voice their opinions? No. Are most of them song writers that can express themselves via their music? NO.

They voice THEIR opinions in the manner in which THEY have the power. In this case, it is with the dollars they use to purchase music. The radio stations made their decisions based on what they felt was in THEIR best interest.

Saying they aren't adding to the marketplace of ideas??? ROFLMAO... what the fuck did the ditzie chicks ADD???

Oh yeah... nothing.
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You don't think their opinion is valid, because you don't agree with it.

I mean - do we need to know anything else at all regarding how you feel about free speech?

That was perfect, SF.
 
Thing1 said:
Ironic, considering that I was right, and was called a traitor for it.

Now with you cowards on the right, it's all "well, it's so many years later - it's so clear it was wrong now." I can't help it if you were too stupid to see that in '03.
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You are not right here. You cannot compare 13 years and pre-war to now. Apples/oranges. That is like comparing the 50's to the late 60's and saying why is it different now?

What exactly makes me a coward? You're getting pummeled and you're lashing out.
 
Konono said:
I asked you a simple question, why do you feel you can dodge it and then proclaim it a strawman. It is the same exact issue.
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No, it isn't. A pundit is hired by an organization. If they express views that are not consistent w/ that organization, that organization has every right to terminate their employment.

It is not the "exact same issue" as organizing boycotts of a band or organization when you simply don't like what they're saying.
 
Konono said:
You are not right here. You cannot compare 13 years and pre-war to now. Apples/oranges. That is like comparing the 50's to the late 60's and saying why is it different now?

What exactly makes me a coward? You're getting pummeled and you're lashing out.
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The only reason I can't compare pre-war to now is that you realize how wrong you were in '03 now, so it makes you uncomfortable.

That's the only reason.
 
Thing1 said:
No, it isn't. A pundit is hired by an organization. If they express views that are not consistent w/ that organization, that organization has every right to terminate their employment.

It is not the "exact same issue" as organizing boycotts of a band or organization when you simply don't like what they're saying.
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OMZ. And do you even know why they have been fired? Because of calls for boycotts and advertisers threatening to leave. It is the same thing.

Zeus, you're one ignorant person.
 
Thing1 said:
The only reason I can't compare pre-war to now is that you realize how wrong you were in '03 now, so it makes you uncomfortable.

That's the only reason.
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What? And you know how I believed in 2003? Tell us how you know this. I'll understand if you can't.

If you think that America has the same frenzy of patriotism it did in 03 and that Americans have the same level of support for the Iraq war, you are one delusional mofo.
 
Konono said:
OMZ. And do you even know why they have been fired? Because of calls for boycotts and advertisers threatening to leave. It is the same thing.

Zeus, you're one ignorant person.
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Pretty vast generalization.

I can't be any more clear about it: I do not support those kinds of boycotts, on the right or left. But if a private organization decides that one of their public voices doesn't speak for them anymore, of course they have a right to terminate.

I hope you understand that. I doubt you do.
 
Konono said:
What? And you know how I believed in 2003? Tell us how you know this. I'll understand if you can't.

If you think that America has the same frenzy of patriotism it did in 03 and that Americans have the same level of support for the Iraq war, you are one delusional mofo.
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Okay, let's have it: did you support the invasion of Iraq, or not?
 
Thing1 said:
Amazing, isn't it? All those years ago, the Dixie Chicks were hit by a tornado from the right when they dared to question the Iraq War. They were effectively ostracized from the country music establishment, boycotted, condemned as traitors and even received death threats.

Now, the Republican FRONTRUNNER openly says that the Iraq War was a huge mistake, and even takes it a step further to imply that Bush was to blame for 9/11. And many of the same group who lambasted the Dixie Chicks are tripping over themselves to support him.

Things that make you go hmmmm....
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It's a much different party then 2006. Well, in some ways it is.
 
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