Why millennials are leaving the church?

Superfreak said:
Funny how you cant address what was said... Yet again. How are you going to judge a debate if you are too retarded to know how to debate yourself?
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Ahh so you have avoided my question. That means you deny you have a drinking problem. Since everyone knows avoidance is a form of denial and that denial of a drinking problem is proof that you are an alcoholic. That is if we use your reasoning.

So, using your reasoning based on;

Premis:
A. Alcoholics deny having a drinking problem.
B. Avoiding answering a question is a form of denial
Equal Conclusion:
C. You're an alcoholic.

So using your exact same reasoning I've proven you're an alcoholic.

And that is the same logical fallacy as your Belief = Non-Belief argument.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Ahh so you have avoided my question. That means you deny you have a drinking problem. Since everyone knows avoidance is a form of denial and that denial of a drinking problem is proof that you are an alcoholic. That is if we use your reasoning.

So, using your reasoning based on;

Premis:
A. Alcoholics deny having a drinking problem.
B. Avoiding answering a question is a form of denial
Equal Conclusion:
C. You're an alcoholic.

So using you're exact same reasoning I've proven you're an alcoholic.
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If our rights don't emanate from our creator as Jefferson posited, then from whence do they come?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
your statement implied that rights couldn't have been God given, since they applied to unbelievers as well......I was just pointing out the gap in your logic......
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No....you're making shit up. I implied nothing of the sort. I stated that the Creator is a given(my opinion as a Christian). Those inalienable rights apply to everyone.

Now, I will ask you the same question as I did ILA. Where are these inalienable rights spelled out in the Bible?
 
Steelplate said:
No....you're making shit up. I implied nothing of the sort. I stated that the Creator is a given(my opinion as a Christian). Those inalienable rights apply to everyone.

Now, I will ask you the same question as I did ILA. Where are these inalienable rights spelled out in the Bible?
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???....has someone made the claim that they were spelled out in the Bible.....does the DoI say "as God says in the Bible, we have all been created with inalienable rights"?.......
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I've made no strawman. I've not misrepresented anything. The only misrepresentation is your circular argument. You are rationalizing thae belief = non belief. That someone is does not believe in god is somehow believing something.

Please explain that to me with out using circular reasoning please.
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Once again... not believing in God is one thing.

Saying 'God does not exist' is another. You are obviously not bright enough to understand the difference.
 
Superfreak said:
Dear moron... She made the claim that Science has shown God does not exist. I asked her to link us up to that.

Do you have that hard a time with reading comprehension? Is that why you like to create straw men?
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It's not a strawman. I did not make any claims about your argument.

Prove the teapot does not exist? Prove that Santa Claus does not exist?

Science offers us evidence that makes both highly dubious claims. Does it prove they don't exist? If your burden of proof is unreasonable then nothing can really be proven, but based on a reasonable analyses of the evidence for and against, most would conclude they do not exist or, at the very least, there is no good reason to believe they do exist.
 
Superfreak said:
Dear moron... She made the claim that Science has shown God does not exist. I asked her to link us up to that.

Do you have that hard a time with reading comprehension? Is that why you like to create straw men?
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So far science has shown that everything religions attribute to god in terms of how the universe and the earth and people and whatnot were created is due to science, not a god.

In terms of "proving god doesn't exist" - what terms would you accept? I'm betting none.

There is no proof that god exists. Not one shred, not one iota. Science has not stumbled across something where the scientists have to say "huh, that must be done by divine intervention".

Kind of hard to do a double blind study against a figment of your imagination.
 
tekkychick said:
So far science has shown that everything religions attribute to god in terms of how the universe and the earth and people and whatnot were created is due to science, not a god.
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That does not prove that a God/all powerful entity doesn't exist. It shows that mankind is fallible.

In terms of "proving god doesn't exist" - what terms would you accept? I'm betting none.
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No, I would accept proof. Provide tangible evidence.

There is no proof that god exists. Not one shred, not one iota. Science has not stumbled across something where the scientists have to say "huh, that must be done by divine intervention".
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I agree there is no proof god exists, just as there is no proof God doesn't exist. Which is why I am agnostic and not atheistic. But given the expanse of the universe it is unbelievably arrogant and naive to think our Science not stumbling upon something yet when we have yet to really understand our own galaxy and more importantly planet somehow means anything with regard to the existence or lack thereof of a God(s).

Kind of hard to do a double blind study against a figment of your imagination.
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Kind of arrogant on your part to presume where I stand simply because I challenged your claim about Science proving God does not exist. It is also arrogant on your part to presume there may not be an all powerful being out there. Would we be gods to ants?

We are but a spec in the universe. We have very little understanding of what is beyond our galaxy. We could be sitting on a very tiny spec that is as insignificant to an all powerful being (relative to us) as an ant hill is insignificant to us.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
???....has someone made the claim that they were spelled out in the Bible.....does the DoI say "as God says in the Bible, we have all been created with inalienable rights"?.......
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So....by admitting that there is no biblical basis for our inalienable rights....that means that those rights are of man's design...notably, the authors of the document NOT God in a literal sense....correct?

So in conclusion....we can assume that these rights are inalienable because we say so. Not because they are given to us by God himself.
 
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