Dear CHRISTIANS-How will this marriage destroy traditional marriage?

Right said:
Woman's suffrage was a Republican initiative...
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....yes it was. And I want the old Republican party back. God knows, the democrats need someone sane to balance them out. Taft was one of our better presidents, as was Teddy Roosevelt. Ike was an excellent Republican president. I have a fantastic republican congressman (Steve Stivers) and a fantastic republican senator (Rob Portman). The rep my district sent to the Ohio senate is a great guy too (Bob Peterson).

I want the nuts out of the Republican party....so the good Republicans can lead. Ya'll need to get rid of the guys like Louie Gohmert....and I will vote for a whole bunch more Republicans.

And as I also said in my into, most of my local government is Republican. I live in the most reliably Republican part of Columbus Ohio. I have great local republican government.
 
Right said:
again, the Constitution limits the federal government. The states have their own constitutions.
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Apparently you don't understand the difference between "state" and "State."

But anyway, where in the Constitution is the Federal government or the States empowered to promote polite society or defend traditional definitions. The 14th amendment applies the Bill of Rights to the States and there is no mention of your invented state interest. Nothing in the Federalist papers, Constitution, DofI or anything else makes any mention about this enormous concept of state power. You are attempting to usurp the Constitution with this ridiculous notion that there is a interest of the state is unlimited.
 
Right said:
The younger generation becomes the older generation. It is about as inevitable as the sun coming up in the morning...
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and as generation passes to generation, we keep getting more and more liberal and progressive. Go look at the things that are now in the middle of the political stream.... they were so far to the left 100 years ago they were OUT of the stream altogether sitting high and dry on the left bank. We may very well be a moderate to conservative country today, but that moderate/conservative voter today thinks a lot like the liberal voter did a century ago. Progressive liberalism always wins. always.

Sign at a Tea Party Rally: "Keep your socialist hands off my Medicare!"
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maineman said:
women's suffrage was a LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE initiative. Back in those long ago days, there were actually republicans who were liberal progressives. Ya tell the young kids that these days and they can't believe it! Same with civil rights.... it isn't at all important which political PARTY championed various landmark improvements in American society.... it is VERY important to understand which political PHILOSOPHY did.
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The meaning of liberalism has changed. The Founders were liberals. Modern liberalism is not at all the same as classical liberalism.

The Democrat Party was FOR slavery, FOR segregation, AGAINST niggers (your word, not mine) voting or marrying whites, AGAINST women voting....
 
Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
Apparently you don't understand the difference between "state" and "State."

But anyway, where in the Constitution is the Federal government or the States empowered to promote polite society or defend traditional definitions. The 14th amendment applies the Bill of Rights to the States and there is no mention of your invented state interest. Nothing in the Federalist papers, Constitution, DofI or anything else makes any mention about this enormous concept of state power. You are attempting to usurp the Constitution with this ridiculous notion that there is a interest of the state is unlimited.
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Again, nothing in the Constitution limits the powers of the states. Have you ever read the 10th Amendment?
 
Right said:
The meaning of liberalism has changed. The Founders were liberals. Modern liberalism is not at all the same as classical liberalism.

The Democrat Party was FOR slavery, FOR segregation, AGAINST niggers (your word, not mine) voting or marrying whites, AGAINST women voting....
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Gosh...and here I thought we were talking about politics and not ancient history!

What the democratic party WAS for and what it IS for are two different sets of things entirely. Same for the GOP.

Liberals were FOR child labor laws, conservatives were against them
Liberals were FOR giving labor the right to organize, conservatives were against it
Liberals were FOR social security, conservatives were against it
Liberals were FOR medicare, conservatives were against it
Liberals were FOR civil rights, conservatives were against them
Liberals were FOR environmental protections, conservatives were against them
Liberals were FOR minimum wage, conservatives were against it.
Liberals were FOR women's suffrage, conservatives were against it.
Liberals were FOR a 40 hour work week, conservatives were against it.
Liberals are FOR gay rights, conservatives are against them...

I gotta stop, my hands are tired from typing... but you get the picture. The list goes on and on and on and on....

progressive liberalism always wins. always
 
maineman said:
Gosh...and here I thought we were talking about politics and not ancient history!

The list goes on and on and on and on....

progressive liberalism always wins. always
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I just wish it won a lot faster. Peoples lives would be so much better....and we would have far fewer issues like the chemical spill into the Elk River in West Virginia.
 
maineman said:
Gosh...and here I thought we were talking about politics and not ancient history!

What the democratic party WAS for and what it IS for are two different sets of things entirely. Same for the GOP.

Liberals were FOR child labor laws, conservatives were against them
Liberals were FOR giving labor the right to organize, conservatives were against it
Liberals were FOR social security, conservatives were against it
Liberals were FOR medicare, conservatives were against it
Liberals were FOR civil rights, conservatives were against them
Liberals were FOR environmental protections, conservatives were against them
Liberals were FOR minimum wage, conservatives were against it.
Liberals were FOR women's suffrage, conservatives were against it.
Liberals were FOR a 40 hour work week, conservatives were against it.
Liberals are FOR gay rights, conservatives are against them...

I gotta stop, my hands are tired from typing... but you get the picture. The list goes on and on and on and on....

progressive liberalism always wins. always
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Again:
Right said:
The meaning of liberalism has changed...
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Right said:
The younger generation becomes the older generation. It is about as inevitable as the sun coming up in the morning...
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Younger generation do not become the older generation. They just become older. That is, the Baby Boomers are not going to become members of the Silent Generation.

Support for marriage equality is increasing in the older generations. No group is trending towards less acceptance of marriage equality. The older generations are dying off and won't be replaced ideologically with the newly elderly. In fact, as people age they are only MORE likely to accept marriage equality.
 
Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
Younger generation do not become the older generation. They just become older. That is, the Baby Boomers are not going to become members of the Silent Generation.

Support for marriage equality is increasing in the older generations. No group is trending towards less acceptance of marriage equality. The older generations are dying off and won't be replaced ideologically with the newly elderly. In fact, as people age they are only MORE likely to accept marriage equality.
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I suppose you are right, as I'm for marriage equality as well. I'm just against state licensing of gay marriage...
 
1966stang said:
This is incoherent....how could you be for something (gay marriage) and against sates licensing it?
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What is incoherent is Democrats insistence of giving names to proposals that are exactly opposite their true intentions. Example: The Affordable Care Act. :rofl2:
 
I don't think that the meaning of liberal has changed all that much. My dad was a liberal democrat in the Adlai Stevenson/Hubert Humphrey tradition... I followed in his footsteps and share his political philosophy. He was for all those things that liberals have been for all of the past century... I have been for as long as I have been politically aware - and, in my family, that was pretty early - and I have remained as liberal as I was then all the way to today.... For me, liberalism is constantly moving, but, not really changing, per se.
 
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