Eastern philosophy says the self is an illusion

Cypress said:
Dutch didn't lie about who he was and he never used sock puppets or changed accounts.


As for the rest of your seething resentments and petty grudges, that's something you should discuss with your shrink.
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Thanks, but clearly Perry is both projecting and gaslighting since he's been busted for being a sock, repeatedly changing his username and lying about his background.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Stop what?

There was nothing going on to stop in the capital.
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Clearly US courts disagree.

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They were nothing but pissed off people attacking something they blamed for the election results.

The capital was nothing but a symbol.
 
ZenMode said:
There two options here. One, there is a self/you that is creating, filtering and moderating thoughts and making choices based on the result of that process. Two, there is no self and our choices are determined by a stream of conscious thought that we have no control over.

Without a self there is no free will because there is no separate entity , standing separate from the stream of consciousness, making decisions.
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The third option is that there is no western, Descartesian sense of self, but that our mental faculties have access to free deliberate choice.

That is precisely the Eastern perspective. The Indian and Buddhist concepts of Karma and Samsara simply wouldn't work unless they had an underlying principle that individuals have freedom to make moral choices.
 
Cypress said:
The third option is that there is no western, Descartesian sense of self, but that our psychological faculties have access to free deliberate choice.

That is precisely the Eastern perspective. The Indian and Buddhist concepts of Karma and Samsara simply wouldn't work unless they had an underlying principle that individuals have freedom to make moral choices.
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Descartes was just articulating the Christian metaphysic.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
And how do you think they thought storming the capital was going to change the election in any way?

They were simply rioting because they were pissed off, they were not trying to change the election.
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Duh! If the election isn't certified! Trump stays President!
 
Tinkerpeach said:
So what were the rioters going to stop if they took over the capital?

The election was already over.

How were they going to overturn it by standing in a building and barricading themselves in?
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No one said they were very smart. About 2/3s had previously reported mental issues.

They planned to kill all the Democrats and Mike Pence.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Yes. None. Why are you defending anti-American fuckwits seeking to overthrow our Constitution, Tink? What is your hidden agenda, dear?
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Because they weren't trying to overthrow anything, they were pissed off that Trump lost and were attacking a symbol and that anger spread just like it did in the LA riots where everyone joined in.

It was a mob mentality, they were not organized whatsoever.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Because they weren't trying to overthrow anything, they were pissed off that Trump lost and were attacking a symbol and that anger spread just like it did in the LA riots where everyone joined in.

It was a mob mentality, they were not organized whatsoever.
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Do you understand what a sedition conviction means, Tink?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ju...bers-convicted-seditious-conspiracy-rcna66622
Four Oath Keepers convicted of seditious conspiracy in Jan. 6 attack
The trial was the second to charge members of the extremist group with seditious conspiracy in the Capitol riot.
A jury on Monday convicted four members of the Oath Keepers of seditious conspiracy in the second batch of guilty verdicts related to the extremist group's efforts to block the certification of the 2020 presidential election.

In addition to the seldom-used charge of seditious conspiracy, the four — Roberto Minuta, Joseph Hackett, David Moerschel and Edward Vallejo — were convicted of obstruction of an official proceeding and conspiring to obstruct....

...“January 6 was just a battle. The full conspiracy was to stop the transfer of power,” Manzo said.

Prosecutors said Vallejo was staged at a Virginia hotel with a stockpile of rifles — which they have called a "Quick Reaction Force" — while Hackett, Moerschel and Minuta led groups to breach the Capitol....

...The maximum sentence for seditious conspiracy...is 20 years in federal prison.
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