But I have almost no faith in the government concerning cost control.
Our private healthcare system is the most expensive by far on the planet, and particularly when compared to single-payer universal systems in ALL other developed countries.
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But I have almost no faith in the government concerning cost control.
Our private healthcare system is the most expensive by far on the planet, and particularly when compared to single-payer universal systems in ALL other developed countries.
Well Sf, I do not want to be subsidizing France's drugs, when we have people right here who can't afford their prescriptions. I mean, this is not sub-Saharan Africa we are talking about. So, lets spread the cost around in a fair manner. Let Canada and France and the UK pick up their fair share. Their costs will go up far less than ours will go down. It will be a fair burden that we all shoulder equally. And the only way to do this, is to break the Pharma chokehold on Congress. Now, maybe that can't be done while money is speech as you say, but the people, can have a very loud voice as well. They better start screaming, and more importantly, voting.
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"Your GOP healthcare plan of harassing your relatives to get off their asses, is completely inadequate. "
Thank you Cypress for being idiot number 3 today. What fucking part of a first step did you not understand? Do you really need a doctor to tell you that Big Macs are not good for you? That getting up and going for a walk rather than sitting on your ass in front of a tv would be beneficial for your health?
Give me a fucking break. I am not talking about getting people around you to be ready for the Mr Universe competition. Do things like .... go for a 30 minute walk each day.... or buy a pound of grapes instead of a pound of candy. Simple little adjustments that can be built upon over time.
And NO... for the mentally challenged out there... I AM NOT SAYING THIS ALONE WILL SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS.... But personal responsibility DOES come into play.
Thank you Cypress for being idiot number 3 today. What fucking part of a first step did you not understand? Do you really need a doctor to tell you that Big Macs are not good for you? That getting up and going for a walk rather than sitting on your ass in front of a tv would be beneficial for your health?
Give me a fucking break. I am not talking about getting people around you to be ready for the Mr Universe competition. Do things like .... go for a 30 minute walk each day.... or buy a pound of grapes instead of a pound of candy. Simple little adjustments that can be built upon over time.
And NO... for the mentally challenged out there... I AM NOT SAYING THIS ALONE WILL SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS.... But personal responsibility DOES come into play.
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Ban all public advertising of prescription drugs.
This would decrease the "cost" of prescription drugs by a few billion per year.
Do you believe that everyone in the nation should have affordable access to family doctors and preventative health care? Yes, or no?
That won't be fixed by simply giving them government money instead of private money.
This has been my point. Don't sweep the problem under the rug. Fix it, then let's pick up the tab. However the idea that it will magically go away because the government is paying for it is baseless when the reality is the goverment really did pay over $1000 for toilet seats, until they were caught...
I do not trust the government to enact cost control because it isn't their money and they don't act like it is.
Yes but, why is America so obese? We are starting to wake up, for instance, you are seeing more and more drives to get junk food out of our schools. Sodas alone are causing our kids to gain weight every year. You replace them with water, and other healthier choices. So that is a good step. Of course, you have to fight coca cola company and all of that shit, but it's being done, school by school, on the local level.
I think the 50 somethings who are walking around and you look at them and wonder, well when is the heart attack going to hit? For the most part, they're beyond help. They're not going to change. But, we can go a long way by not teaching our kids bad eating habits to begin with. And we can turn off the television sets, and the gameboys, and tell them to go outside and play. But, that's a parental thing, and you can only educate parents you can't make them do anything.
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I agree completely. The problem begain when our society changed "giving a bribe" to "lobbying" and somehow that made it more palatable to the public.
Paperwork and adminstrative costs are one of doctor's biggest expenses.
And what causes all this paperwork and adminstrative costs? Our patch-work system of private, for-profit, healthcare insurers.
I don't know how most dems feel Top.
But yes, they're paid on average far more than doctors in other westernized nations. I think we have less chance of fixing that than we do of getting drug costs under control. Maybe I am wrong about that, but I see America as a truly greedy country, and they do not like to be told that anyone is making too much.
Good point.
Coin-operated government is the bane to a republic.
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"Yes but, why is America so obese? We are starting to wake up, for instance, you are seeing more and more drives to get junk food out of our schools. Sodas alone are causing our kids to gain weight every year. You replace them with water, and other healthier choices. So that is a good step. Of course, you have to fight coca cola company and all of that shit, but it's being done, school by school, on the local level."
This is exactly the type of action that has to take place. You are right, it is a fight with the Coke and Pepsis etc... and a fight that is being one at the local level. All things like this add up over time. There is no quick fix that will solve everything tomorrow.
"I think the 50 somethings who are walking around and you look at them and wonder, well when is the heart attack going to hit? For the most part, they're beyond help. They're not going to change. But, we can go a long way by not teaching our kids bad eating habits to begin with. And we can turn off the television sets, and the gameboys, and tell them to go outside and play."
I agree 100%.
"But, that's a parental thing, and you can only educate parents you can't make them do anything."
Again, I understand that you cannot force anyone to do these things.
This is exactly the type of action that has to take place. You are right, it is a fight with the Coke and Pepsis etc... and a fight that is being one at the local level. All things like this add up over time. There is no quick fix that will solve everything tomorrow.
"I think the 50 somethings who are walking around and you look at them and wonder, well when is the heart attack going to hit? For the most part, they're beyond help. They're not going to change. But, we can go a long way by not teaching our kids bad eating habits to begin with. And we can turn off the television sets, and the gameboys, and tell them to go outside and play."
I agree 100%.
"But, that's a parental thing, and you can only educate parents you can't make them do anything."
Again, I understand that you cannot force anyone to do these things.
How many people would you suddenly unemploy with a plan that removes all "for profit" health insurance? Or would you just transfer them right on over to the government dole?
Every year, our health consciousness as a nation grows - we all know what's good for us, what's bad for us, what's fattening & what's not, and how we can stay in shape if we want to.
And yet, every year, as a nation, we become more obese & more out-of-shape.
If 1 part of a 2-step plan is to whip everyone into better shape, I need to see how that is instigated. There is no precedent to give a logical, realistic person any faith whatsoever that Americans as a whole will step up to the plate on this; in fact, recent history shows quite the opposite.
So what changes that? I refuse to be called lazy, ignorant or a dumbass because I have a realistic vision of America, and refuse to put blinders up regarding the realistic chances that somehow, some way, we'll reverse the direction we're going in as far as personal health...
And yet, every year, as a nation, we become more obese & more out-of-shape.
If 1 part of a 2-step plan is to whip everyone into better shape, I need to see how that is instigated. There is no precedent to give a logical, realistic person any faith whatsoever that Americans as a whole will step up to the plate on this; in fact, recent history shows quite the opposite.
So what changes that? I refuse to be called lazy, ignorant or a dumbass because I have a realistic vision of America, and refuse to put blinders up regarding the realistic chances that somehow, some way, we'll reverse the direction we're going in as far as personal health...
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"Paperwork and adminstrative costs are one of doctor's biggest expenses. "
Are you kidding me? Paperwork is a small fraction of the costs a doctor has. I would also be interested to know what you are including in "administrative costs"
Are you kidding me? Paperwork is a small fraction of the costs a doctor has. I would also be interested to know what you are including in "administrative costs"
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"So what changes that? I refuse to be called lazy, ignorant or a dumbass because I have a realistic vision of America, and refuse to put blinders up regarding the realistic chances that somehow, some way, we'll reverse the direction we're going in as far as personal health..."
You can refuse to listen when someone calls you ignorant... but you really can't refuse to be called ignorant... now can you????
You don't have a "realistic" view, you have a "negative" view. Tossing your hands up in defeat does not mean that others will follow your pathetic path.
As Darla mentioned above... little things... swapping out the types of beverages and foods in vending machines in schools.... add up.
Your ignorant attitude that "nothing will improve...so let's simply quit trying to improve" is a large part of the problem. Quit being part of the problem. Change your attitude and TRY.
You can refuse to listen when someone calls you ignorant... but you really can't refuse to be called ignorant... now can you????
You don't have a "realistic" view, you have a "negative" view. Tossing your hands up in defeat does not mean that others will follow your pathetic path.
As Darla mentioned above... little things... swapping out the types of beverages and foods in vending machines in schools.... add up.
Your ignorant attitude that "nothing will improve...so let's simply quit trying to improve" is a large part of the problem. Quit being part of the problem. Change your attitude and TRY.