Gay Adoption banned in Arkansas - Kids get ripped from foster homes

leaningright said:
I am glad you were able to respond in this manner. I wanted to rip into that comment from SM but abstained. I have strong moral/religious beliefs but some people are over the top, IMO.
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I can understand having strong moral/religious beliefs. I just dislike the hateful garbage spewed by some.
 
Heh, don't make me blush, now.

I can attest to Solitary being a straight-up, good guy IRL...if you can believe THAT on this vast interbutts!

(Sorry for the temporary hijacking, folks)
 
Solitary said:
I can understand having strong moral/religious beliefs. I just dislike the hateful garbage spewed by some.
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That's what I was talking about. Some people make my side of the moral issues (hate to use it that way but really that's how it is) look like terrible people. Kind of like what Michael Moore does for the left. I thought what SM said was terribly demeaning.
 
Solitary said:
Yep, I raised 3 kids and am raising another. The 3 older ones have all graduated from high school with honors (one with a 4.29 GPA), gone on to college and are well balanced, productive members of society. All 3 had no discplinary problems in school. None of them have had any problems with drugs or the police. And they are focused on their futures.


Yep, thats how you raise a stable family. Let me know if you need more info on how to do it.
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Why would I take advice from a guy who's wife turned gay on him and doesn't know what a GPA is?

Your child's 4.29 is a QPA. Add since we're bagging, my son's is currently 4.85. He's also a candidate for Eagle Scout, is a three season high school athlete, and skis SL and GS for USSA. My daughter's a freshman, a starter for her varsity team, and ranked #7 in the State for her sport. :cof1:
 
Southern Man said:
Why would I take advice from a guy who's wife turned gay on him and doesn't know what a GPA is?

Your child's 4.29 is a QPA. Add since we're bagging, my son's is currently 4.85. He's also a candidate for Eagle Scout, is a three season high school athlete, and skis SL and GS for USSA. My daughter's a freshman, a starter for her varsity team, and ranked #7 in the State for her sport. :cof1:
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Even if all that's true, it's despite the fact that their father is a dumbshit.
 
Southern Man said:
Why would I take advice from a guy who's wife turned gay on him and doesn't know what a GPA is?

Your child's 4.29 is a QPA. Add since we're bagging, my son's is currently 4.85. He's also a candidate for Eagle Scout, is a three season high school athlete, and skis SL and GS for USSA. My daughter's a freshman, a starter for her varsity team, and ranked #7 in the State for her sport. :cof1:
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QPA is not a term used as often as 'weighted GPA'. He left out the 'weighted'. LET'S GET 'IM! I've got the cross if'n you got the gasoline!!!! :-)
 
And...c'mon...."turned gay"? TURNED GAY?

Can you honestly say you could 'turn gay' if you had the inclination?

It's like saying a child 'turned' autistic.
 
Tektite said:
And...c'mon...."turned gay"? TURNED GAY?

Can you honestly say you could 'turn gay' if you had the inclination?

It's like saying a child 'turned' autistic.
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It would depend on whether or not you believe that some people may be born bisexual.
 
Southern Man said:
Why would I take advice from a guy who's wife turned gay on him and doesn't know what a GPA is?

Your child's 4.29 is a QPA. Add since we're bagging, my son's is currently 4.85. He's also a candidate for Eagle Scout, is a three season high school athlete, and skis SL and GS for USSA. My daughter's a freshman, a starter for her varsity team, and ranked #7 in the State for her sport. :cof1:
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His GPA was listed as such. It is his Grade Point Average. There are numerous ways of expressing the quality of work done by students. Demanding that yours is the only way is ridiculous.

My wife turned gay on me? Sorry sparky, my wife is a survivor of some unspeakable abuses by her straight, white, married, (and seemingly) stable father. The fact that he was an unstable sexual predator was not readily apprent to the world. She blocked all that out for several decades. When she came thru it all, she had no interest in intimate contact with men.

She and I are still quite close. We talk fairly often, and my current wife and I usually go over for at least one day of the holidays.

Now, as for your attempt at making her "turning gay on me" an insult, you'll have to try again. If my wife wanted a woman, then I certainly do not qualify. Perhaps you could pass as one, but I most certainly could not. You seem to see it as a mark against me. I don't.




The factthat your kids are successful is great. But the main reason for my response was your attempt to make fun of my parenting skills.

But that, like your arguments against single or gay people adopting kids, is without merit.



Oh, perhaps you need no help teaching your kids some things, but from the sound of your argument I could certainly teach you about communicating with your daughter? That way she wouldn't be limited to ONLY her mom when certain things come up.
 
Southern Man said:
Apparently, the gay disease is different than autism.
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disease? Perhaps if you would educate yourself on what psychologists and medical professionals know about homosexuality, you would see how wrong that statement is.
 
Solitary said:
disease? Perhaps if you would educate yourself on what psychologists and medical professionals know about homosexuality, you would see how wrong that statement is.
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You mean what the APA says it is after cowing to the gay lobby? You just said that your ex turned gay because of abuse.
 
Southern Man said:
You mean what the APA says it is after cowing to the gay lobby? You just said that your ex turned gay because of abuse.
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So the APA is cowing to the gay lobby, but withstanding the anti-gay lobby? I guess if everything that presents evidence that runs counter to what you want can be accused of "cowing to the gay lobby" you are pretty well assured you don't have to listen to any facts except the ones that fit your view of the world.

No, I explained why she wanted no more intimate contact with men. I think she has always had an interest in women, she was just more interested in men (or at least me).

I don't think you can "turn gay".
 
But lets stay on the topic of adopting kids, shall we?

I have shown that there are kids waiting to get adopted.

There is absolutely no evidence that having gay parents is detrimental to the child.

And even a loving, supportive single parent is better than no parents.






So your main reason for supporting the banning of single or gay parents would be what?
 
Solitary said:
So your main reason for supporting the banning of single or gay parents would be what?
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Here is some ammunition for some of you. You that have been on here for a long time know most of this stuff. I would answer the question this way:

It would promote to those children that the homosexual life style is a normal life style, thus contributing significantly to the growth of the movement that thinks that way already. Listen, I try to be respectful of other people's opinions but I cannot go against my core beliefs. As long as there is an opportunity for me to vote on an issue like this you can count on my voting against anything that would legitimize homosexual relationships in the eyes of children. If I did otherwise I would be lending my support to something that I believe is wrong.

As to the children needing homes, I agree that those on my side have done far too little to provide for those children. I have been involved in raising 2 adopted children. My brother and his wife who weren't able to have children of their own raised 6 adopted children. I continually contribute quite a lot of money and time to orphanages and even was on the board of one for a while. But we as a whole simply don't do enough. That still doesn't sway my belief of what is right and what is wrong.

And just because I believe that homosexuals are wrong in their beliefs and actions doesn't make me want to go out and burn them out either.
 
Solitary said:
So the APA is cowing to the gay lobby, but withstanding the anti-gay lobby? I guess if everything that presents evidence that runs counter to what you want can be accused of "cowing to the gay lobby" you are pretty well assured you don't have to listen to any facts except the ones that fit your view of the world.

No, I explained why she wanted no more intimate contact with men. I think she has always had an interest in women, she was just more interested in men (or at least me).

I don't think you can "turn gay".
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Obviously the scientists in the APA are less militant:
Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist has described what actually occurred in his book, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis. (1981)

In Chapter 4, "Diagnostic Politics: Homosexuality and the American Psychiatric Association," Dr. Bayer says that the first attack by homosexual activists against the APA began in 1970 when this organization held its convention in San Francisco. Homosexual activists decided to disrupt the conference by interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder. In 1971, homosexual activist Frank Kameny worked with the Gay Liberation Front collective to demonstrate against the APA's convention. At the 1971 conference, Kameny grabbed the microphone and yelled, "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you."

Homosexuals forged APA credentials and gained access to exhibit areas in the conference. They threatened anyone who claimed that homosexuals needed to be cured.

Kameny had found an ally inside of the APA named Kent Robinson who helped the homosexual activist present his demand that homosexuality be removed from the DSM. At the 1972 convention, homosexual activists were permitted to set up a display booth, entitled "Gay, Proud and Healthy."

Kameny was then permitted to be part of a panel of psychiatrists who were to discuss homosexuality. The effort to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM was the result of power politics, threats, and intimidation, not scientific discoveries.

Prior to the APA's 1973 convention, several psychiatrists attempted to organize opposition to the efforts of homosexuals to remove homosexual behavior from the DSM. Organizing this effort were Drs. Irving Bieber and Charles Socarides who formed the Ad Hoc Committee Against the Deletion of Homosexuality from DSM-II.

The DSM-II listed homosexuality as an abnormal behavior under section "302. Sexual Deviations." It was the first deviation listed.

After much political pressure, a committee of the APA met behind closed doors in 1973 and voted to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM-II. Opponents of this effort were given 15 minutes to protest this change, according to Dr. Jeffrey Satinover, in Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth. Satinover writes that after this vote was taken, the decision was to be voted on by the entire APA membership. The National Gay Task Force purchased the APA's mailing list and sent out a letter to the APA members urging them to vote to remove homosexuality as a disorder. No APA member was informed that the mailing had been funded by this homosexual activist group.

According to Satinover, "How much the 1973 APA decision was motivated by politics is only becoming clear even now. While attending a conference in England in 1994, I met a man who told me an account that he had told no one else. He had been in the gay life for years but had left the lifestyle. He recounted how after the 1973 APA decision, he and his lover, along with a certain very highly placed officer of the APA Board of Trustees and his lover, all sat around the officer's apartment celebrating their victory. For among the gay activists placed high in the APA who maneuvered to ensure a victory was this man-suborning from the top what was presented to
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http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/eleven.php

You ex was married to you, now she's gay. She turned gay.
 
Solitary said:
But lets stay on the topic of adopting kids, shall we?

I have shown that there are kids waiting to get adopted.

There is absolutely no evidence that having gay parents is detrimental to the child.

And even a loving, supportive single parent is better than no parents.






So your main reason for supporting the banning of single or gay parents would be what?
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I would argue that there is evidence, and it is suppressed, just like the scientific arguments to keep homosexuality listed as a psych disease was suppressed at the APA.
 
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