right, but if you start with 1st and have the lesser includeds, the jury might be split. some may not want to waiver from 1st degree, others may not want to budge from 2nd degree. If they just started with 2nd degree to begin with, then that's all they would have had to settle on.
How To Make Sense Of The Michael Dunn Verdict
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right, but if you start with 1st and have the lesser includeds, the jury might be split. some may not want to waiver from 1st degree, others may not want to budge from 2nd degree. If they just started with 2nd degree to begin with, then that's all they would have had to settle on.
i'm pretty sure that isn't the case. everyone must give their vote implicitly for the second degree murder conviction. otherwise in this situation one person was feeling not guilty for 1st/2nd/manslaughter which seems highly unlikely.
Nope. If you are guilty of first then you are certainly guilty of second and being guilty of second in no way implies not guilty of first. It is a lesser and included offense.
It's like trying to stretch a single. You still get credit for the single even if you fail to get the double.
zappasguitar
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But wasn't Dunn in essence "going to get his gun" when he turned away from the person he testified he thought was coming to kill him, to get his gun from the glovebox?
That is EXACTLY what the verdict implies.
Only the taxes that are illegal.
zappasguitar
Well-known member
Y-O-U don't get to decide which are "legal" and which aren't.
You're just another common criminal.
I wonder why liberals aren't demanding "justice" for 15 year old Adrian Broadway...
Police said Willie Noble, 48, shot at the carload of teenagers after he found eggs, mayonnaise and toilet paper covering his car.
He waited for the teens to return, then fired his gun, police said.
Adrian Broadway died from a gunshot wound to the head.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-charged-teen-death-shot-scare-22569998
Police said Willie Noble, 48, shot at the carload of teenagers after he found eggs, mayonnaise and toilet paper covering his car.
He waited for the teens to return, then fired his gun, police said.
Adrian Broadway died from a gunshot wound to the head.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-charged-teen-death-shot-scare-22569998
christiefan915
Catalyst
^^^ I'm glad you pointed this out.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Christiekins isn't poutraged by Willie or Roderick...is she?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-charged-teen-death-shot-scare-22569998
http://rochester.twcnews.com/content/news/490556/roderick-scott-claims-self-defense-in-teen-s-shooting/
This is the first I've seen of the car vandalism shooting and I think we discussed the other one yesterday.
Why do you think I'm not outraged by gun violence no matter who is the shooter?
No call to action from Daily Kos or Think Progress when Black men shoot kids?
Because you posted tons of poutrage when white men shot Black teens, and I've seen none from you when Black men shot a white teen boy and a Black teen girl.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Then you haven't been paying attention. Furthermore, my main complaint is the number of needless gun deaths, period, and color is a distant second.
Why would color be an issue at all? Racist much?
christiefan915
Catalyst
"... you posted tons of poutrage when white men shot Black teens, and I've seen none from you when Black men shot a white teen boy and a Black teen girl."
^^I was responding to this comment about color. Reading is fundamental.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
So you enjoy it when lying liberals promote their lies, in an attempt to appear knowledgeable.
Glad you've finally shown your true colors.
Link up to your poutraged posts about Black men shooting a white teen or a Black girl.
jet57
New member
And there we have it.
You have nothing to support what you THINK, you had nothing to support what you THINK, and you will probably never have anything to support what you THINK.
But then, you weren't really thinking and what you really meant, was FEEL.
At ease - you're dismissed.
I have everything to support my opinion: the fact that Dunn was charged with murder 1 starts that off. The fact there was no threat to Dunn’s life and limb is another. Dunn acted out of rage and fired 10 rounds (12 round clip?) into the SUV, moreover he fired into a fleeing vehicle; that’s three. Four, his comments about “thug music” and “thug culture” clearly demonstrates his prejudice. No gun was found in the SUV; that’s five. So right off the bat, the state of Florida supports my thinking.
KKSF, about 12:30 played jail tapes of Dunn talking with his fiance’ where in Dunn said “They have me in a private room”, (like he’s at a Holiday Inn) and “at least I don’t have to be in with those animals”. Now, the jury of course convicted him on 2 lesser charges and at the age of 47, Dunn won’t be getting out; if he lives long enough. I guarantee you that the general population knows all at about him by now, and all the shit he’s said. He a classic right –wing CCW guy who knew he could say what he wanted because he had a gun . . . His thinking stung him right in the ass. I don’t know if the murder 1 mistrial will go forward, but as I’ve said, I think it should. So in the end, it was Dunn who let his feelings get in the way of his judgment and now he’s screwed. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.